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      09-14-2019, 06:30 PM   #1
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Arrow Car & Driver gets 42MPG with their 330i M Sport

There's a long list of cars the 3-series dominates in both fuel economy and performance.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...scE_rn36Xilw6o
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That is impressive. With the price of fuel here in the UK that will be very welcome.
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Yet they still had to take a dig at the steering feel. No honorable mention for the G70? The 2.0t just barely cracked 30 mpg in that same test.
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Yet they still had to take a dig at the steering feel. No honorable mention for the G70? The 2.0t just barely cracked 30 mpg in that same test.
I'll be honest. The G05 X5 loaner I got when my F30 was in had better steering than my F30. It made me realize just how crappy my steering is.
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Yet they still had to take a dig at the steering feel. No honorable mention for the G70? The 2.0t just barely cracked 30 mpg in that same test.
Imagine being known for doing something the absolute best among your peers. So well that the industry all tries to copy you and comes up short. Then imagine that from exactly one generation to the next, you go from being top of your game to below average, being worse than even cars from GM. You then have 7 years to upgrade that technology and you only incrementally improve. How could a professional publication not mention that?

It doesn't mean the G20 is a bad car, though. It's just one aspect in an otherwise great overall package.
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Imagine being known for doing something the absolute best among your peers. So well that the industry all tries to copy you and comes up short. Then imagine that from exactly one generation to the next, you go from being top of your game to below average, being worse than even cars from GM. You then have 7 years to upgrade that technology and you only incrementally improve. How could a professional publication not mention that?

It doesn't mean the G20 is a bad car, though. It's just one aspect in an otherwise great overall package.
Fair point. I guess IMHO, i think the steering is substantially better after driving the car for 5,000 miles so i think it's a bit unfair.

They drool over the Giulia...but its lighter than corolla steering, zero confidence inspiring brake pedal and economy car interior rarely get mentioned.
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Yet they still had to take a dig at the steering feel. No honorable mention for the G70? The 2.0t just barely cracked 30 mpg in that same test.
Imagine being known for doing something the absolute best among your peers. So well that the industry all tries to copy you and comes up short. Then imagine that from exactly one generation to the next, you go from being top of your game to below average, being worse than even cars from GM. You then have 7 years to upgrade that technology and you only incrementally improve. How could a professional publication not mention that?

It doesn't mean the G20 is a bad car, though. It's just one aspect in an otherwise great overall package.
I agree with this. BMW was largely untouchable for a decade. Lauded as the best luxury driver's car since Weber's made sliced white bread a phenomenon. Then the competition improved (...although the '04 G35 was labeled the 3 Series killer back then, so the writing was already starting to be scribed on the wall).
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(...although the '04 G35 was labeled the 3 Series killer back then, so the writing was already starting to be scribed on the wall).
A little off topic, but, its so sad what Infiniti's become. The first and second generations of the G,M,EX, and FX were great driving vehicles and back then, I even use to consider Infiniti the "Japanese BMW." And now, they've finally got their signature styling and good looks (they never were the best nor the worst looking cars) but neutered the G's driving dynamics completely in the Q50/60, the EX is now the QX50, a terrible FWD SUV with an experimental engine and sh*t CVT, the M class is going on 9 years old (although the exterior has aged well, and it still drives well), and the FX is gone. Infiniti's are now just glorified Nissans. Oh how the mighty have fallen.
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The fuel economy of my M340i has been pretty exceptional in the short period of time I've owned it. Compared to its two predecessors, a 2016 Chevrolet SS (13 MPG) and a 2015 Audi S5 (18 MPG), the M340i's fuel economy is in another league despite its superior performance.
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A little off topic, but, its so sad what Infiniti's become. The first and second generations of the G,M,EX, and FX were great driving vehicles and back then, I even use to consider Infiniti the "Japanese BMW." And now, they've finally got their signature styling and good looks (they never were the best nor the worst looking cars) but neutered the G's driving dynamics completely in the Q50/60, the EX is now the QX50, a terrible FWD SUV with an experimental engine and sh*t CVT, the M class is going on 9 years old (although the exterior has aged well, and it still drives well), and the FX is gone. Infiniti's are now just glorified Nissans. Oh how the mighty have fallen.
You can plot Nissan's decline ever since the Renault takeover. Many of the "good" Nissan products started their development before 1999. The V35 (G35) is really the car that created Infiniti's reputation in the United States, and that car was released in 2001.
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You can plot Nissan's decline ever since the Renault takeover. Many of the "good" Nissan products started their development before 1999. The V35 (G35) is really the car that created Infiniti's reputation in the United States, and that car was released in 2001.
I think they did a pretty good job with the G37, though it was mechanically still very similar to the V35 and the styling was a bit weaker. I had a G35 coupe and a G37 sedan and other than the problems with the clutch slave cylinder, they were reliable cars. The G35 interior was lackluster to be kind, and they really improved things with the G37. I suppose that was just a result of doing such a great job with the V35 generation that they just carried over most of it to the V36 cars.
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You can plot Nissan's decline ever since the Renault takeover. Many of the "good" Nissan products started their development before 1999. The V35 (G35) is really the car that created Infiniti's reputation in the United States, and that car was released in 2001.
I think they did a pretty good job with the G37, though it was mechanically still very similar to the V35 and the styling was a bit weaker. I had a G35 coupe and a G37 sedan and other than the problems with the clutch slave cylinder, they were reliable cars. The G35 interior was lackluster to be kind, and they really improved things with the G37. I suppose that was just a result of doing such a great job with the V35 generation that they just carried over most of it to the V36 cars.
My brother has a 2012 G37s Coupe with the 6MT. What a great vehicle! The engine, driving dynamics, steering, and looks were very good. Interior like stated above is pretty "meh," and the manual gets rid of the armrest, which made no sense, and the S (Sport Package) added very firm sports seats, but they drove very well and were definitely a great alternative to the E9X at the time. He still has his as a weekend car, a little over 100k miles, no notable problems, and still loves it.

My neighbor consistently leased G sedans from 2004-2015. She had a Q50 with DAS when it first came out and hated it. Dealer swapped her lease for a Q40 (rebadged G, when the Q50 came out) and since she turned it in last year, she left Infiniti as nothing there appeals to her anymore from them.
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Anyways, now back to being on topic, 42 mpg is quite impressive, I would never be able to get that with my lead foot. I wonder if they used eco mode, or just cruised in comfort. I'm curious as to what numbers the M340i could achieve in C/D testing.
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This morning I did my home/work commute which is 150 km via mostly motorway, but with lots of traffic with only 5,4 l/100 km with my 330i in eco pro mode. In MPG US this is 43,5. Very impressive for a petrol car. However, it really depends on how you drive the car. When you release the beast in sport plus mode it can consume 3 times as much if you want to.
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Well.... I'm getting like 18mpg. I do mostly 90% city driving and drive mostly on comfort 3/4 of the time and sport mode 1/4.

I don't know how people are getting 40+mpg... are these ppl driving on eco mode and doing like 95% highway driving at 65-70mpg consistent or something ? Sounds pretty boring.
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I concur, I am averaging 18's and i am not even pushing her hard yet. By next week she'll be fully broken in at which time she will be driven in sport plus mode daily.
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I've run comfort mode on the highway on several trips, averaging 75mph -- and the computer has reported 46.9mpg at the end of those trips.. I know it has at least done 42mpg from refuels in those circumstances. I've been impressed.
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I concur, I am averaging 18's and i am not even pushing her hard yet. By next week she'll be fully broken in at which time she will be driven in sport plus mode daily.
Right. I'm still at 550 miles so I got a while to still break mines in but once I do, I know I'll be running sport mode a lot more, can't even imagine the gas mileage I'll have then...
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I'm averaging 36mpg at the moment. This a 24 mile commute each way on rural 60mph roads. Taking it fairly easy though with the odd foot down for an overtake as only 200 miles in.
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Couple of weeks ago I did run of 177 miles from London to South Wales mainly on the motorway using Cruise Control Stop & Go set at 70+ mph with lane control and averaged 48.1 miles per gallon.
No doubt using Ecco mode this could be better.
I can recall an E90 320i which was hard pushed to average 27mph!

CCS&G is an improve on the F30 version in that if set at one bar the distance to the car in front is slightly greater but if a car nips in, the G20 brakes very progressively rather than just ‘brakes on’ waking up the passengers!

The G20 is an improvement all round for sure!
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Just to clarify.... US and UK gallons are different volumes. So when looking at MPG they are not directly comparable...

Apologies if I’m telling you something you already know...
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