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Yes, AWD M3/M4 like the F90 M5 | 199 | 63.38% | |
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Either way is cool with me | 39 | 12.42% | |
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09-09-2017, 08:39 PM | #133 |
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Unrelated but reminds me of my story... We had a bogus "state of emergency" in MA over a blizzard, but my mom had surgery and my dad could not clear the multi-foot high pile of snow left by the plow. So I drove across town on my LR4 with hakkas. It was a joke how easy that was. |
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09-11-2017, 08:25 AM | #135 |
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You're not alone. I've driven my M3 with snow tires (Michelin X-ice) the past 2 winters and have not had any major issues, but I never drove in anything over 6 inches. The M3 can handle that, but what about nor'easters that drop 2+ feet? I sure as hell am not driving my RWD M3 up into the mountains to go skiing. I've been considering a new car recently and everything AWD is currently winning.
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09-11-2017, 01:28 PM | #137 |
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Frankly, everything is becoming so wussified nowadays in MA that unless you are literally at or near a ski resort, it's unlikely you will need to "drive" through more than 3-4 inches of snow. Now, snow piles left by plows? Yeah, you are on your own with that one when you come home and find 2+ feet of (heavy, slushy) snow blocking your driveway.
Again, I'm lucky to have an LR4 with Hakkas, so I just raise the suspension for good measure and climb right through and park in my garage. For me, the F80 will mostly just see cold/ice but very little if any snow. |
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09-13-2017, 11:10 AM | #138 | |
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It seems more like M's way is what the bulk of street only users want, and M are signalling they will walk away from the trackrat niche and leave that niche to modify older m products |
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BMW seems to be all business now and with the all electric X3 and the X3M type of cars coming, not to mention the M sport, M performance things everywhere, that we are in the era of ///Marketing, and it might be worth hedging your bets and buying a mint E46 M3 EDIT: 3900lb AWD M3 that's all electric with 500hp would be a pretty ok way for M to become a street only car in my book! |
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09-13-2017, 12:01 PM | #141 | |
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sign me up for the Audi approach...
Real roads aren't tracks: traction is often an unknown or very limited. If BMW can keep the weight down to say 3700 pounds with the defeatable xDrive I would prefer that to 3540 pounds and RWD.
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I've always disliked the idea of AWD in a sporty car, I've owned Quattro Audi and VW Touaregs and xdrive BMWs and the system suits those non sporty cars.
However I ran in a tuned RS3 the other week and was astounded by the acceleration off the line, made my M3 feel limp wristed, IF M can keep the M dynamic and add the traction of AWD I'm all for it. I caveat that statement with: The way the RS3 went into a corner was awful and I wouldn't swap the traction for such a piss poor feel and understeer BUT if M can walk a fine line then it might just work.
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M5 performance seems on another level now. Next M3/4 S58 and 470Hp and able to put it down will be fantastic I hope.
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Front heavy M is no longer an M but a cleverer variant of Audi RS. There's simply no way to achieve 5:5 balance with a heavy ass center shaft, transfer box and 8 speed Zfat unless you put a 50kg battery in the trunk which makes car heavier all together.
Put R&D on better aero and we have a lightweight high HP FR sports car.
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05-06-2018, 03:43 PM | #150 |
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As far as RWD vs. AWD - I really don't care, as long as:
1) the new generation puts the power down even better than current F8x gen; 2) next gen is faster; and 3) has better driving dynamics (if RWD) than current gen, and equal or greater driving dynamics if AWD. |
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09-20-2018, 03:48 PM | #152 |
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10-03-2018, 09:05 AM | #153 |
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I wouldn't buy another RWD M3.
It is AWD or not another M3 We NEED AWD to be fast in the real world at this point. If I want a RWD track car, I'd just get an M2; Besides at this point I think the M2 is the new M3 and the M3 is the old M5 |
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i'd much rather have a much lighter M3 with rear wheel steering vs x-drive.
M3 doesnt need more power. it needs less weight. rear wheel steering will counteract the ever growing wheelbase (which has grown too much imo).
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