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      10-26-2018, 05:12 PM   #67
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If the X-Drive is the same as in the M5, and comes with manual as well, very few would choose a RWD as the xdrive is faster and can still be RWD...
I would take the lighter, more nimble car.
I'm suspect, because I'd spec an M3 with sunroof every time.
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Hopefully MXDrive will be available with a manual transmission on the new M3. I will definitely purchase one then. If not, I definitely will not purchase one and keep the AWD MT BMW that I currently have.
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I'm not so sure that's true. I like lighter cars but the advantage of having the xdrive and the option of being RWD when I wanted would sway me in that direction. At last an AWD I could get on board of.

I don't see how you'd smile more for being in a car that's 50 pounds lighter... but feel free to think that lol
xdrive only adds 50 pounds? wow!
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since these cars are for the masses, death of M is upon us for sure now (if it isn't already). It's closer than ever....catering to normal folks. absurd.
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If the X-Drive is the same as in the M5, and comes with manual as well, very few would choose a RWD as the xdrive is faster and can still be RWD...
The issue with the the current xDrive in the M5 that I've had some complaints from clients is that you cannot go into RWD for just normal day to day driving. You have to turn traction control completely off to go into RWD which makes it dangerous for spirited street driving.

If they can make it where you can truly choose RWD without compromising safety then I can see your statement being true.
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I don't see the point to spec this car with a MT when the sales account for single digit %.
Plus as someone has already said, these cars are always performance optimized with the more advanced drivetrain anyways. The gearing on the MT is never optimal and always run taller to hit fuel economy targets.
Weight savings are minimal in as well (about 1-2%)

if you want to shift use a paddle...
Why do you care exactly? How does this affect you in any way? There are people who want a manual and are glad they are being offered. It must make some business sense since BMW is offering it.

Also, the take rate on the M4 is definitely in the double digits. It's actually a fair chunk of the cars. Since they're offering it in the M4, it's also pretty logical to offer it in the M3 since they're mechanically the same car anyway.
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Good news to hear it is an options to have AWD RWD M3/4 but I personally like new M5 system can switch around RWD and AWD,
I really don't see why ppl complained about M3/4 has to stay RWD only , This Car is build as fun performance car with daily drive able isn't it ? For weight increase really for those of you do care about 1-2% of weight gain ? You want to go lighter take out your rear seat passenger seat , now less weight and no more worries for extra passenger to gain extra weights
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I'm not so sure that's true. I like lighter cars but the advantage of having the xdrive and the option of being RWD when I wanted would sway me in that direction. At last an AWD I could get on board of.

I don't see how you'd smile more for being in a car that's 50 pounds lighter... but feel free to think that lol
He'd be smiling more cause he can shift his own gears instead of a computer doing it for him.
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I'm not so sure that's true. I like lighter cars but the advantage of having the xdrive and the option of being RWD when I wanted would sway me in that direction. At last an AWD I could get on board of.

I don't see how you'd smile more for being in a car that's 50 pounds lighter... but feel free to think that lol
He'd be smiling more cause he can shift his own gears instead of a computer doing it for him.
A computer can't change gears in a manual transmission.
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A computer can't change gears in a manual transmission.
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If the X-Drive is the same as in the M5, and comes with manual as well, very few would choose a RWD as the xdrive is faster and can still be RWD...
No. I would still chose RWD any day
If you live in cold climate and we're it snows. and you use it as DD then most people will chose AWD car. 6 months out of year would be a struggle to drive or you need another car.
Ghats what I did for many M3 I owned and got sick of it. End up getting M5
In the Picture is what I had for summer only and winter. What a waist for me, car you love to drive sits most of the time collecting dust
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I don't see the point to spec this car with a MT when the sales account for single digit %.
Plus as someone has already said, these cars are always performance optimized with the more advanced drivetrain anyways. The gearing on the MT is never optimal and always run taller to hit fuel economy targets.
Weight savings are minimal in as well (about 1-2%)

if you want to shift use a paddle...
Stop making stuff up... In America the M2 has a 50% take rate on manuals and the rate on M3/M4 while not as high is still up there. If you're getting your single digit number from all models, well maybe but these are M cars we are talking about. Manuals are very popular in this particular market.
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I don't see the point to spec this car with a MT when the sales account for single digit %.
Plus as someone has already said, these cars are always performance optimized with the more advanced drivetrain anyways. The gearing on the MT is never optimal and always run taller to hit fuel economy targets.
Weight savings are minimal in as well (about 1-2%)

if you want to shift use a paddle...
Stop making stuff up... In America the M2 has a 50% take rate on manuals and the rate on M3/M4 while not as high is still up there.
Every M3/M4 I owned was manual.

Please BMW don't take it away.

I grow up with manual and it's so much more fun and engaging to drive.

I just want to have MT and AWD
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I don't see the point to spec this car with a MT when the sales account for single digit %.
Plus as someone has already said, these cars are always performance optimized with the more advanced drivetrain anyways. The gearing on the MT is never optimal and always run taller to hit fuel economy targets.
Weight savings are minimal in as well (about 1-2%)

if you want to shift use a paddle...
Stop making stuff up... In America the M2 has a 50% take rate on manuals and the rate on M3/M4 while not as high is still up there.
Every M3/M4 I owned was manual.

Please BMW don't take it away.

I grow up with manual and it's so much more fun and engaging to drive.

I just want to have MT and AWD
Same...never had an AT or DCT on an M car. Have DCT on my Audi 😜
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AWD M3 with Auto, yes please. If I lived in hot climate I would do RWD without question.

Had manual F80 and didn't like the way it suited the F80 like others said, but I love me a manual on a Fiat Abarth or something of that weight and size.

Also on the track, manuals are not even close to fun for me...too much work, wear on the clutch, room for error and slower out of a turn = unnecessary...
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Any chance of a DCT?

My recollection is that the DCT was supposed to die with the F series cars...I am still holding out hope for the G series....

I want no part of a ZF....
that idea is deader than dead because BMW stopped paying to develop DCT IIRC because they would have to make a beefier DCT to handle 500+ hp. hence.. MX drive and AT

https://www.whichcar.com.au/news/bmw...ithin-a-decade

" In the past, the shifting speed of a DCT was much faster and the other big advantage is weight - it's much lighter. We can do the same shifting times now with an automatic and also weight reduction is also something where we made good progress."
That article states BMW will "dump" Manual and DCT transmissions by 2027. Unless I'm mistaken this is 2018 :
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Why not make it like the M5. AWD with the option to go RWD. Two birds one stone
Wow - I'm not sure if I'd go RWD or AWD. If I lived where it never snows - probably RWD - but since I live in Chicago - guess I'll probably go AWD. Either way - if this rumor is true - looking forward to seeing the head to head RWD v AWD (at least now this forum won't be limited to 6MT v DCT, E9x v F8x or unsolicited Porsche a$$ licking threads to get everyone fired up)!!!
I drove 911 4s and it felt different from a sports car. Loved 911 in rwd form though.
I also test drove the new m5 and loved it but it is not a sports car per se so my expectations were different. My point is that RWD will give speed and cool tech but also will cost a lot and may take away from the concept of 3er M.... we shall see..
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in the new format.. BMW is trying to keep up with the Mullers... so having multiple trim levels from the jump makes sense.

Porsche has base, S, GTS, GT3, GT3RS, etc.. BMW will have base, COMP, CS, and CSL
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Every M3/M4 I owned was manual.

Please BMW don't take it away.

I grow up with manual and it's so much more fun and engaging to drive.

I just want to have MT and AWD
+1 million. Automatic just gets so boring after a while.
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releasing a base and competition at the same time?

why not call the new m3/4 competition the base model and just get rid of the slightly shittier model?

my profession is not in business, maybe that's why I dont see the point in simultaneous release of both models.

yay for MT
Same as AMG selling a C63 and C63s. Some people care more about the looks than a slight improvement in performance so they'd rather save some bucks

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