Rumor: BMW M3 Touring Being Considered

LemonOne · 10-30-2018, 02:39 PM

Great fucking news!
Audi makes one, MB makes one, why not BMW seriously

shoptb · 10-30-2018, 02:55 PM

Guess which market this vehicle will never see? That's right. North America.

LemonOne · 10-30-2018, 03:01 PM

Heck, the new G20 wagon won't even make it to the shore, zero chance for the M3 touring

SDPLV · 10-30-2018, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Bch53211

I’ve never quite understood the appeal. Is this for people who want to move stuff really quickly? The M3 has four doors so it’s practical for families already . Making it into a wagon makes it uglier, handle worse and less aerodynamic .

This is exactly what confuses me every time a wagon thread/link is posted on here.

Find it really weird that people actually like these and would ever want to mix straight up utility with outright performance.

There is nothing appealing about an ugly wagon, aside from the M engine of course.

SDPLV · 10-30-2018, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Bread

Compared to a sedan, it just looks better and more complete to some of us, while carrying more stuff, making it easier to put those things in and perhaps most importantly, it has a rear wiper.

Compared to an SUV, it's lower, it's lighter, it handles better and it's easier to get in and out of.

Looks better than a sedan? Yeah if you're trying to carry a body to a funeral real fast.

Red Bread · 10-30-2018, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SDPLV

Looks better than a sedan? Yeah if you're trying to carry a body to a funeral real fast.

Sometimes things being inside tinted windows just work better than being on a roof rack.

gixracer · 10-30-2018, 03:51 PM

want
let me think again
really want

LemonOne · 10-30-2018, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SDPLV

This is exactly what confuses me every time a wagon thread/link is posted on here.

Find it really weird that people actually like these and would ever want to mix straight up utility with outright performance.

There is nothing appealing about an ugly wagon, aside from the M engine of course.

A perfect example why we American's don't get wagons.
Thank you sir!

BMW435 · 10-30-2018, 04:14 PM

In Europe, Audi and Mercedes sell tons of RS3, 4, 6, C63, ... in « touring » versions...
Not all countries are the same, we don't have pick ups that weight 10'000 lb here...

Brake_Late · 10-30-2018, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bch53211

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Originally Posted by bjcarls

Dog, grocery shopping, golf bags, running strollers, trips to the boat. Lots of reasons why a wagon is better than a sedan. Just helping why I would buy one...but to be honest. As I age, my back sucks, I also like the height of SUV's so Id probably buy a X3M for the wife over a M3 touring.

All that stuff other than the dog fits in the trunk, no? When I baby sit my friends dog I fold the rear seats down and it works great.

Or wife in the trunk... or " boot "

M3 Adjuster · 10-30-2018, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Rayers1997

it's like they dont know anything about even their own market. do some fucking market research BMW. Ask your current M3 owners, ask x3m40i owners. "Would you buy your car in a wagon?" I guarantee you'll find an interest (including in ) in the states. Every single person I have met that drives and M3 would LOVE an m3 wagon. NEWS FLASH: Car guys fucking adore wagons

Fixed that for you. Porsche, Mercedes Benz and Audi have been making competitor models for decades... BMW hasn't even figured out their OWN market.. let alone the US.

SCOTT26 · 10-30-2018, 05:35 PM

It's interesting that this discussion is being made especially since I know that a high powered M Touring was very much being considered under the outgoing M CEO. Recently they did disclose at the reveal of the M8 Coupe that they were investigating options for segments that M were not present in. I took it to be an M4 Gran Coupe as we might see one this time around.

They would talk about how that at Ski resorts in France,Switzerland,Austria and Italy you could see the typical Performance SUV but also performance wagons or kombi's such as Alpina B3/D3 and B5/D5, Audi RS4 and RS6 and the Mercedes AMG C63 and E63.

So essentially it would be good to see a BMW M Touring with skis or indeed snowboards on the roof.
Personally I hold out for an M5 Touring which some say is actually one of the reasons why M xDrive was developed.

Since the G21 is not being offered in the US. This would hypothetically also mean an M3 Touring would not be considered.
And why the X3M and X3M Competition will be more tailored to North American customers.

Sweeney921 · 10-30-2018, 06:50 PM

Sure, it's awesome that they'd even consider producing an M3 Touring, but those of us in the US have no right to complain when it inevitably doesn't come here. Enthusiasts love wagons, but the fact of the matter is that they don't buy enough *new* to justify bringing it here. Everyone's waiting for used models to hit the market, which doesn't drive BMW's sales department. Hence, they're cutting the G21 from the US market all together.

F82FTW · 10-30-2018, 06:58 PM

Take. My. Money.

DCG · 10-30-2018, 06:59 PM

M3 Touring about F'ing time BMW!!!

BMW what have you been waiting for all these years?

Throw in M xDrive, now we truly have a dilemma. M3 Touring with M xDrive, X4M with M xDrive, M4 with M xDrive. That is the dilemma I liked to have!

It must be brought to the United States and Canadian marketplace!

BMW does listen if you push them hard enough to hear you.

MSCD · 10-30-2018, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 10"

That's great...except almost nobody buys them; including you.

I did. Also the Subaru Outback is effectively a wagon and sells like crazy... but it's also one of the original crossovers too.

I agree though the US market is suv crazy... a lot of salon/sedans are being killed off.

MSCD · 10-30-2018, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SDPLV

Looks better than a sedan? Yeah if you're trying to carry a body to a funeral real fast.

The 4 series GC and the Wagon look better than the 3 sedan. Of course that's just my opinion.

MSCD · 10-30-2018, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SCOTT26

It's interesting that this discussion is being made especially since I know that a high powered M Touring was very much being considered under the outgoing M CEO. Recently they did disclose at the reveal of the M8 Coupe that they were investigating options for segments that M were not present in. I took it to be an M4 Gran Coupe as we might see one this time around.

They would talk about how that at Ski resorts in France,Switzerland,Austria and Italy you could see the typical Performance SUV but also performance wagons or kombi's such as Alpina B3/D3 and B5/D5, Audi RS4 and RS6 and the Mercedes AMG C63 and E63.

So essentially it would be good to see a BMW M Touring with skis or indeed snowboards on the roof.
Personally I hold out for an M5 Touring which some say is actually one of the reasons why M xDrive was developed.

Since the G21 is not being offered in the US. This would hypothetically also mean an M3 Touring would not be considered.
And why the X3M and X3M Competition will be more tailored to North American customers.

Is it fact that the G21 won't be offered in the US? I know the GT is dead.

Thanks for any confirmed insight.

Roch M4 · 10-30-2018, 07:30 PM

If there's a market for 3 Series GT, 5 Series GT and 6 Series GT for the north american market, why there's no market for an M3 Wagon?

raysspl · 10-30-2018, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by pheerIx

I'd move to Europe for a M3 Competition Touring with 6MT and RWD. A true unicorn.

Emphasis on 6MT & RWD

MSCD · 10-30-2018, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Roch M4

If there's a market for 3 Series GT, 5 Series GT and 6 Series GT for the north american market, why there's no market for an M3 Wagon?

3GT is done:

https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1542041

Possible argument for the G21:

https://bimmerlife.com/2018/10/05/wi...eries-touring/

I'm hanging on to my F31.

They should badge it the Touring in the US - there is a stigma with the word wagon...

JMon · 10-30-2018, 08:13 PM

I thought the Mx3MxdriveM SAV( SUV) or whatever was the M3 wagon!

Anyway, I would love an M3 xdrive wagon! That way I could really tick the guys off at the "track day events".
Probably can't think of anything worse for a Ferrari nubie than getting passed by a well driven wagon.
Maybe get it re-badged 318 for fun.

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