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I don't think BMW (or any german car for that matter) is really known for their resale value, those numbers are a bit optomistic. Genesis' resale has been completely bad since they separated from Hyundai, but still its not like the BMW's will likely be that much better.
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In my mind the G70 is all about the 360+ hp, 3.3L TT V6. I don't want a luxury sport sedan with a turbo 4. It just isn't special enough for me at that point. I realize that there are those who disagree with this and find the 4 cylinder engines perfectly adequate. To each their own.
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Lol after working at Hyundai for 2 years.. and seeing the constant mechanical problems and recalls and techs complaining..... I'll stay away from that brand .. all I can say
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When BMW starts treating Genesis as a benchmark then call me impressed. Look at the ads or reviews - they’re mostly sizing themselves up to one of the big 3 German manufacturers. Granted Genesis is in a better position than Infiniti. Hopefully they don’t fall down the same hole. Because competition is good for us consumers! |
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Korean cars are cheap facsímiles of the real article. They sell you the "equivalent" for cheaper because compromises have been made where you don't see them or feel them. That's the scary aspect of Korean car ownership. You don't know what you don't know. There is no free lunch or free ride. With Korea motors inc, you get exactly what you pay for and the crappy dealer service experience that is sure to follow. Speaking for myself only, I would never stamp my own signature for anything that doesn't have the roundel or 3 pointed star emblem on the hood.
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I'm likely going to be getting an M340i and won't buy a Genesis G70, but I have driven one for an extensive test drive and I must say, its an excellent car. Now, dealership experience, in car technology and designs/materials do lack behind BMW and Mercedes, but the G70 really is an excellent value, so many things are standard on this car, and you can easily get a loaded 3.3TT V6 model ($53k) for 330i money, and granted some materials may not be as nice, but for that price I can't see a reason to complain, and the 10 year/100k mile warranty is something I'm sure any german car owner would appreciate.
Now, do I think the Genesis handles better than the new 3 series? I don't know, I haven't driven the 330i as I'm really only holding out for the M340i, to compare Apples to Apples, but the G70 does handle better than the Audi S4/5, and 2018 F30 340i I drove, and is more comfortable than the fun but firm C43 I drove. The G70's steering is I think where BMW will have to work its hardest, the steering in the G70 is very good, so I hope BMW will make strides there. One thing to realize is that this isn't the early 2000s where really, BMW was the only good car in the segment (A4 was too fwd, C Class was too soft, a Cadillac competitor didn't exist, and Jag was too ugly, the 3 series was the only good compact luxury car in the 2000s, really only the G35/37 was close in handling, but not as pretty or expensive feeling) now, Mercedes, Audi, Jag and even Cadillac are catching up and closing the gap from what use to be an easy choice. I love BMW, but we have to admit that cars today are getting even better and better, and even underdog brands like Genesis can create a great product. They may not be up to some of our standards, but its hard to deny with countless reviews and awards praising Genesis that they don't have something really good on their hands, not to mention that they have staffed engineers from German car brands, and Hyundai even has the ex-M division boss. Time will of course tell what will happen to Genesis, and it may not sell in large numbers like its German and Japanese (Lexus) competitors, but I do think they have made a great car, one that I would easily recommend to someone.
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For the record, I have received plenty of crappy service from the BMW dealerships, so the Genesis dealers have good company (if they offer equally crappy service). |
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When did you work there? They have been a lot better in recent years. And people are acting like BMW's are reliability kings! LOL
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You cited IQS data which is three months in service, primarily a measure of how well the assembly plant is producing. Many find the JDP VDS (Vehicle Durability Study)study more useful, as it captures the first three years in service. Genesis is at a disadvantage in this data set as a more recent brand, but Lexus is still topping the VDS, with Toyota, Porsche, Audi, and BMW in close sequence, based on experiences to date with 2016 vehicles. The 2020 VDS study will be interesting, indeed, to see how Genesis vehicles hold up in usage. Realizing a loaded V6 G70 was about $49k versus the 330/340 in the mid $50s up to over $60, it does give one pause.
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The color I chose was Siberian Ice. I don't have pics which frankly don't really reveal the nature of the color. In pics it looks white but it's actually much different. It's amazing how many comments I received on it. The color is very unique and changes shades depending on the light. It bright sun it looks more white but in lower light it takes on a blueish/gray hue that is quite striking. I wouldn't normally choose a white car but this color really stands out for me. Thanks for all the comments.
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As you suggested, if we extrapolate Kia/Hyundai as a proxy to see where Genesis will land in the future VDS ranking, it's a mixed bag. VDS 2019: Lexus, Porsche, Toyota, Chevy, Buick, MINI, BMW, Audi, Hyundai, Kia, Infiniti, VW, ... VDS 2018: Lexus, Porsche, Buick, Infiniti, Kia, Chevy, Hyundai, BMW, Toyota, Lincoln, ... Hyundai/Kia ranked higher than both BMW and Toyota in 2018 while trailed in 2019. You can also take the Lexus/Toyota pair to extrapolate how the premium brand will fair compared to the mainstream brand, and one can argue it'll turn out more favorably. It's a mixed bag for sure to draw any meaningful conclusion (especially given JDP's somewhat controversial history). My point here isn't to nitpick and argue that Genesis is all of sudden a premium brand to recon with or that the G70 is a superior car, but to counter the general snobbish attitude many here have that somehow an upcoming brand isn't worthy of consideration because it doesn't have the roundel or three-pointed star on the hood. Maybe it's my naivete, but I thought we were car enthusiasts that evaluated cars based their individual merits, not how much you paid or which badges are on these cars. After reading some of the comments here, I am starting to think BMW ///marking got the target audience right when it started slapping the ///M badge everywhere. |
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I agree with you otherwise. Before I chose the 330GT, I was very close to choosing a Stinger after a very pleasing test drive, but the rear seat accomodations were not sufficient for our needs. They oddly had eliminated the foot space under the front seat, so legs had to be retracted. Unfortunately, I fear the G70, a shorter vehicle, would be as bad or worse.
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