[The Choosey begger]

Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it.

[M2Cmtl]

Originally Posted by TreyTwoEight

Yeah this is comical at this point.

Really, it looks cartoonish.

[Pentium]

Originally Posted by BMWSHL

Keeping my E90 alive as long as I can. Was really hoping to swap out for a new 4er or 2er. Well, I guess I'll have to consider another brand. The BMW design team has done nothing right since the Bangle era.

I feel your pain, I am keeping my E90 for now also, but I can't jump to another brand

I think I will wait to see this in person as a start

[KoenG]

Originally Posted by Giom

Can you imagine what they said about BMW design in the 60s when compared to the 50s. This design trend is not new! Why are people so hung up on progress? Stuck in a space that is familiar and comfortable.

Gosh, imagine if BMW were stuck there!

Btw, origional BMWs had huge kidneys, forgot? No body screwed up anything.

I don't read anybody complaining about progression, rather the contrary. The mistake often made is that ugly = progression. Not in my dictionary.

[Fhey]

Originally Posted by KRS_SN

fhey the next purchase will be my 6th bmw. I didn't mean to offend anyone but for a person who has owned them since 11 years and over 250k miles the design direction they are taking is odd.
Anyone newish to the brand loves the new design older owners hate it. I guess I will just remain silent from now on as I respect your choice as my young trainee colleague thinks the radical design is the only reason he is going to buy bmw!.
I want BMW to succeed. I need their services warranty and goodwill

I guess we got off on a wrong start, so let's just start over, shall we?

Yeah, I seem to see that a lot of young, new BMW owners seem to like the new styling very much.
Although I'm not sure I would consider myself to be part of that demographic, given that I have always had BMWs around at least.

My parents have owned BMWs exclusively since their E28 5-series, and I've driven a couple of them at least.
So even though my first owned BMW is my current 430i, I've been a BMW fan for quite a while.

[KoenG]

Originally Posted by Giom

Wow! Quite the insult.

I don't quite 'get' your point of view. According to you, BMW make ugly cars, and those 1 or 2 (me being one of the tow) that think they're beautiful, must be dead wrong and everybody else is right.

You don't find this a little one sided? WOW!

No, when you learn to read, you'll read something entirely different than you just did.

[Jbrock22]

It's amazing so many people needed to sign off this design. They should all be fired it's time to clean house.

[chrisny]

Originally Posted by solstice

Wonder no more, I've owned BMW's since the mid 80s and I really like the new 4. I also loved Bangle's E60 from the get go. I'm not the type who like everything to remain the same year after year but that's not the only reason I like this overhaul of the 4 or the E60's design, I truly appreciate the designs on their own and as one that appreciate the cues, flow, sculpted lines etc. I understand those who hate it just as little as they understand us who like it.

I definitely understand wanting and liking something different. The i8 is a good example. Some of the newer grills like the new 8 and M8.. X6...(not radical but different shape entirely). Hell at one point, even the mere existence of the X5 and all the X's that followed.

I just think this one is radical change for change's sake. Just missed the mark, IMHO. I also have a problem with calling it different or special when it's really not shocking or unique in the market, that's my real problem. Making a BMW that look's like a Lexus and poorly joins the big grill trend isn't original or ground breaking just because it's so different from all other BMW's. It's weak and disappointing and maybe even confusing for such an iconic brand that didn't need to copy others. BMW is usually the one others try to emulate and measure up to.. Again, just my opinion...

[///Pip]

Polarising looks aside, I worry more on the fact that is is over FIVE INCHES LONGER than the outgoing model.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by ///Pip

Polarising looks aside, I worry more on the fact that is is over FIVE INCHES LONGER than the outgoing model.

Agree car is practically midsize now, almost exact same size as an E-Coupe and only 3 inches short of an 8-series!

[solstice]

Originally Posted by chrisny

I definitely understand wanting and liking something different. The i8 is a good example. Some of the newer grills like the new 8 and M8.. X6...(not radical but different shape entirely). Hell at one point, even the mere existence of the X5 and all the X's that followed.

I just think this one is radical change for change's sake. Just missed the mark, IMHO. I also have a problem with calling it different or special when it's really not shocking or unique in the market, that's my real problem. Making a BMW that look's like a Lexus and poorly joins the big grill trend isn't original or ground breaking just because it's so different from all other BMW's. It's weak and disappointing and maybe even confusing for such an iconic brand that didn't need to copy others. BMW is usually the one others try to emulate and measure up to.. Again, just my opinion...

And that’s what I was talking about, I as one who like the new 4 just don’t see what you see. I will never confuse it with any existing car from another company. To me it’s pure BMW, it doesn’t have the heavy look of a Benz, the FWD look of an Audi, the bulbous, soft look of all Japanese cars, the poor packaging of an American car instead it’s typical BMW with a well packaged, well proportioned and athletic RWD car as the 3 and 4 always been. I see nothing confusing or poorly joint, to me everything looks purposeful and well designed.

[chrisny]

Originally Posted by solstice

And that’s what I was talking about, I as one who like the new 4 just don’t see what you see. I will never confuse it with any existing car from BMW or other company. To me it’s pure BMW, it doesn’t have the heavy look of a Benz, the FWD look of an Audi, the bulbous, soft look of all Japanese cars, the poor packaging of a American car instead it’s a well packaged, athletic RWD car as the 3 and 4 always been. I see nothing confusing or poorly joint, to me everything looks purposeful and well designed.

I wish I could see it that way, I do. That rear just screams Lexus to me and the nose just doesn't work. Put the 8 nose on it and it all works way better for me. Still wouldn't like those taillights, but they're not as far off the mark for me.

But let me ask you this... as a long time enthusiast, how do you feel about removing the Hofmeister kink? When you look at the 4 and the 8, the roof line and side profile is much the same (a good thing), except the kink. Returning that the other way instead of keeping that iconic kink seems unnecessary to me. 100% intention of straying from tradition for something that didn't add value for the design.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by chrisny

I wish I could see it that way, I do. That rear just screams Lexus to me and the nose just doesn't work. Put the 8 nose on it and it all works way better for me. Still wouldn't like those taillights, but they're not as far off the mark for me.

But let me ask you this... as a long time enthusiast, how do you feel about removing the Hofmeister kink? When you look at the 4 and the 8, the roof line and side profile is much the same (a good thing), except the kink. Returning that the other way instead of keeping that iconic kink seems unnecessary to me. 100% intention of straying from tradition for something that didn't add value for the design.

Honestly I never put much value on the hofmeister kink. Keep or remove it, doesn’t matter to me as long as the result is pleasing. It did have some merit in the 70s when some of BMWs most iconic and beautiful models were defined by the very large greenhouse and the kink did add some muscle to the tall thin C pillar that signaled strength and sportiness. That is no longer an issue with today’s high waistlines and low greenhouse.

[chrisny]

Originally Posted by solstice

Honestly I never put much value on the hofmeister kink. Keep or remove it, doesn't matter to me as long as the result is pleasing. It did have some merit in the 70s when BMWs were defined by the very large greenhouse and the kink did add some muscle to the tall think C pillar that signaled strength and sportiness. That is no longer an issue with today's high waistlines and low greenhouse.

I think, to be honest, it bothered me more until I got my wife an X3 and realized days later that they took it off that too and I hadn't even noticed....

[eman4517]

Originally Posted by jstein55

Agree car is practically midsize now, almost exact same size as an E-Coupe and only 3 inches short of an 8-series!

Yes, that's pretty hefty. If I'm reading the specs correctly, that's almost identical in size to a 2020 Ford Mustang Shelby GT350 (and even bigger than an E39 5 series!)

[blockdoc]

Originally Posted by wdskukm3

Well you guys can like it or not. It's here and it's real.. We gotta live with it.

Ummm. No we don't lol. Think I'll sit this iteration out

[KoenG]

Originally Posted by solstice

And that’s what I was talking about, I as one who like the new 4 just don’t see what you see. I will never confuse it with any existing car from another company. To me it’s pure BMW, it doesn’t have the heavy look of a Benz, the FWD look of an Audi, the bulbous, soft look of all Japanese cars, the poor packaging of an American car instead it’s typical BMW with a well packaged, well proportioned and athletic RWD car as the 3 and 4 always been. I see nothing confusing or poorly joint, to me everything looks purposeful and well designed.

The profile is not that far off the one of a Q60, the rear end is very reminisent to the Lexus. But all that I can accept since I always was a fan of Japanese design.
The kidney grill tough... it's just a cheap flimsy piece of plastic, not connected to anything, not expressing anything that I would like it to. It feels like a cheap halloween mask of 0,39€ that suggests bad ass with a smile.
On a 8yr kid it's fun for the occasion, on a +50k car permanent face, it isn't.

[blockdoc]

Originally Posted by Giom

Can you imagine what they said about BMW design in the 60s when compared to the 50s. This design trend is not new! Why are people so hung up on progress? Stuck in a space that is familiar and comfortable.

Gosh, imagine if BMW were stuck there!

Btw, origional BMWs had huge kidneys, forgot? No body screwed up anything.

Why do you call this "progress???"

[blockdoc]

Originally Posted by timmahh

Despite all the half-assed shitty jokes and hatred.. you'll still get one, and others will imitate it. I enjoy something that looks so different it draws attention and could be from a futuristic movie. If you don't, the IS still looks the same for you.....

I won't be buying that one. Since I just blew up my M4, and we are near the end of ICE vehicles....time for a new Vette or a Pcar. For me, I've had a good run with Ms. but it's done.

[///Pip]

Originally Posted by blockdoc

I won't be buying that one. Since I just blew up my M4, and we are near the end of ICE vehicles....time for a new Vette or a Pcar. For me, I've had a good run with Ms. but it's done.

Try the M2C first before leaving the ///M brand altogether

[Loma]

I just can't wait to see the sales figures.

[dezzracer]

Damn. Guess I'm gonna have to pony up an extra 50K for an M8. Good one BMW.