[Monkey Throttle]

Am I correct in my recollection from a conversation I had with a dealer...

Did BMW not make a ZCP in 3 pedal in the G80 variant? So you can have either the ZCP or a 3 pedal but not both?

[FC4]

Yep.

[Monkey Throttle]

LAME

[Needsdecaf]

It's not a package. It's a separate model on the order sheet. The base only comes with 6Mt, the Comp only with Automatic (plus more HP and torque).

[geko29]

Equipment differences for the base vs. the Competition RWD:

6MT instead of 8AT
Engine detuned within limits of 6MT--473hp vs. 503hp
824M wheels standard; 825M or 826M are $1300 option, but included on Comp
Extended Shadowline not included by default, $0 option. Reverse on Comp (included but removable for free)
Driver Assistant Pro and remote start not available due to MT

It's not like in the old days where the Comp had a bunch of exclusive equipment (like wheels and bigger brakes) that were not available on the base. It's literally just Auto vs. Manual.

[Monkey Throttle]

Originally Posted by geko29

Equipment differences for the base vs. the Competition RWD:

6MT instead of 8AT
Engine detuned within limits of 6MT--473hp vs. 503hp
824M wheels standard; 825M or 826M are $1300 option, but included on Comp
Extended Shadowline not included by default, $0 option. Reverse on Comp (included but removable for free)
Driver Assistant Pro and remote start not available due to MT

It's not like in the old days where the Comp had a bunch of exclusive equipment (like wheels and bigger brakes) that were not available on the base. It's literally just Auto vs. Manual.

Ohhh, interesting. I wonder why the 6MT can't handle the 30hp?

[wtwo3]

Originally Posted by Monkey Throttle

Ohhh, interesting. I wonder why the 6MT can't handle the 30hp?

It's not the power... it's the torque that's the issue. This stock clutch is rated to handle up to 450 lb/ft. BMW hasn't really made much advancement at all in the MT since the E46 days. So you could tune the engine to produce more power/torque, but at a certain point you'd also need to replace the clutch to minimize excess wear.

[GrannyShiftG80]

Originally Posted by wtwo3

It's not the power... it's the torque that's the issue. This stock clutch is rated to handle up to 450 lb/ft. BMW hasn't really made much advancement at all in the MT since the E46 days. So you could tune the engine to produce more power/torque, but at a certain point you'd also need to replace the clutch to minimize excess wear.

it's a bunch of marketing bs. the stock clutch doesn't slip till about 650 whp

they didn't want the manual to be good so they gutted the power

[moonluv810]

Originally Posted by Monkey Throttle

Am I correct in my recollection from a conversation I had with a dealer...

Did BMW not make a ZCP in 3 pedal in the G80 variant? So you can have either the ZCP or a 3 pedal but not both?

I had an F80 with 6 speed tranny and a ZCP Competition Package.

With G80, BMW totally changed the model strategy.
Competition is no longer a “package”, but it’s rather a model. So we now have M3 Base, M3 Competition, and M3 Competition with xDrive.

In the old days (F8x, E9x, E46), ZCP included slight differences in engine, transmission, and suspension tuning, wheels, seats, and minor exterior trim differences. You could pick your transmission of choice (manual vs DCT) and then opt for ZCP package.

And if you have to ask, go with Base. Auto is for babies….
I kid I kid… 😀😀😀

[Jim B]

Originally Posted by wtwo3

It's not the power... it's the torque that's the issue. This stock clutch is rated to handle up to 450 lb/ft. BMW hasn't really made much advancement at all in the MT since the E46 days. So you could tune the engine to produce more power/torque, but at a certain point you'd also need to replace the clutch to minimize excess wear.

Perhaps BMW should abandon the Getrag and go with the Tremec as used in the Mustang Mach 1 and the Dark Horse, as well as the Chevy Camaro.

[wtwo3]

Originally Posted by Jim B

Perhaps BMW should abandon the Getrag and go with the Tremec as used in the Mustang Mach 1 and the Dark Horse, as well as the Chevy Camaro.

One can dream....

[bri1042]

Originally Posted by Jim B

Perhaps BMW should abandon the Getrag and go with the Tremec as used in the Mustang Mach 1 and the Dark Horse, as well as the Chevy Camaro.

It's the ZF-S6-53BZ. Same model since the E90. Getrag manuals went away with the E46s.

There are likely a ton of supply and contract factors that go into which transmission a company uses. BMW already works with ZF for everything else. Tremec may not be able to supply enough units for BMW to switch to them. Tremec may charge too much per unit. Any additional costs, including the cost of contracting with a different company, may not be worth the take rate. Heck, maybe the contact between BMW and ZF has exclusivity caveats written into it, though we know that they have used Aisin transmissions for transverse applications.

I actually think it would be really neat if BMW corporate could outline why they've stuck with the ZF manual vs. some of the other options. Their answer would probably make a ton of sense. Or it could be a totally lazy answer.

[DFW_M]

Originally Posted by Allenssmart

it's a bunch of marketing bs. the stock clutch doesn't slip till about 650 whp

they didn't want the manual to be good so they gutted the power

again...it is the TQ not the power that is main concern.
And it is a real concern

[Monkey Throttle]

You know, something has been bothering me so I'm just gonna say it and leave it here.

The fact that BMW calls the 6MT the BASE MODEL kind of puts me off. Almost a reason to not even want to buy it.

It's like they are insulting their own car.
"This is the Competition Model... This is what you should buy if you want to be "competitive.""

"Over here, this is the BASE MODEL. It has an AM/FM radio and while it doesn't come standard with a navigation screen, there is a cup holder that will likely fit your phone."

What a freaking off-putting term, BASE MODEL. Like a BASE MODEL 3 series with 180hp.

You would think they would do a little better and maybe call it the "3 Pedal" or the "Classic" model. But calling it BASE is so.... BASIC.

[Needsdecaf]

Originally Posted by Monkey Throttle

You know, something has been bothering me so I'm just gonna say it and leave it here.

The fact that BMW calls the 6MT the BASE MODEL kind of puts me off. Almost a reason to not even want to buy it.

It's like they are insulting their own car.
"This is the Competition Model... This is what you should buy if you want to be "competitive.""

"Over here, this is the BASE MODEL. It has an AM/FM radio and while it doesn't come standard with a navigation screen, there is a cup holder that will likely fit your phone."

What a freaking off-putting term, BASE MODEL. Like a BASE MODEL 3 series with 180hp.

You would think they would do a little better and maybe call it the "3 Pedal" or the "Classic" model. But calling it BASE is so.... BASIC.

You are reading waaaaaay too into this. They don’t call it a base. They just call it “M3 Sedan”

[Monkey Throttle]

Originally Posted by Needsdecaf

You are reading waaaaaay too into this. They don’t call it a base. They just call it “M3 Sedan”

You sure?

['Cane]

Originally Posted by Monkey Throttle

You sure?

From the horses mouth (BMWUSA.com)

[Needsdecaf]

Originally Posted by Monkey Throttle

You sure?

Yes, that's Cars.com

See post above

And also...the ORDERING GUIDE.



https://g80.bimmerpost.com/forums/at...7&d=1686745931


I have to ask. What is behind all of this? You seem to have a huge chip on your shoulder about something regarding the Manual Trans M3. Why? BMW is one of the last manufacturers to make manual anything. Much less a manual 4 door sports sedan. And while it's not the ultimate version of the car, it doesn't suck. It's not some castaside. So why are you so riled up about it? Just buy one and enjoy it.

[FC4]

Weird that one shows up different for me...

[Needsdecaf]

Originally Posted by FC4

Weird that one shows up different for me...

Imagine if it had poverty spec headlights too….

[Monkey Throttle]

Originally Posted by Needsdecaf

Yes, that's Cars.com

See post above

And also...the ORDERING GUIDE.



https://g80.bimmerpost.com/forums/at...7&d=1686745931


I have to ask. What is behind all of this? You seem to have a huge chip on your shoulder about something regarding the Manual Trans M3. Why? BMW is one of the last manufacturers to make manual anything. Much less a manual 4 door sports sedan. And while it's not the ultimate version of the car, it doesn't suck. It's not some castaside. So why are you so riled up about it? Just buy one and enjoy it.

It's a fair enough question. I currently own a F82 M4 six speed comp. To be honest, I always wanted a M3 4 door when I was in my original search but couldn't find the right one so landed in a 2 door.

It's been a few years and I decided to search again - expanding my search into the possibility of a G80 along with F80.

Since my current M4 has Comp, it seems weird that I'm now looking at vehicles that don't offer Comp. Of course I understand from this thread that the use of the word Competition has changed... But it just feels like a non Competition is a lesser model in the new way it's presented. And that kind of bothers me.

Just stupid things.. Lol. All awesome cars!

[Monkey Throttle]

Originally Posted by 'Cane

From the horses mouth (BMWUSA.com)

Touche. You are right. I am wrong.