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      03-03-2020, 01:43 PM   #89
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I think this electric car will sell extremely well if not overpriced. Really like the curved high definition dashboard/screen! Everything looks really ergonomic, nice and sleek.

The negatives are the tacky Lexus gold color, the supersized kidney grills which are not even necessary anymore, the two hockey sticks exterior design elements, and the funky ugly rims. Personally don't want a solid glass roof, I prefer a metal over my head in case of a rollover.

Otherwise about time BMW!
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If the car is about as long as the 3er (4m70), how tall is Adrian von Hooydonk?!

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A few things

1) This is a terrible color to present new cars in. Really, Camry Gold???? Not a cool red, blue, green, anything else? This is the same color that only grandma would buy, not to mention they added bright blue accents to the side which doesn't work well when mixed together.

2) They need to bring back harder body lines into the design language, these softer body-lines make the cars look very puffy and heavier (not in a good way).

3) That side profile/roof-line needs to be sleeker and lower, that rear window looks really awkward and somewhat generic in styling. It has that same chunky C-pillar look that the 8er GC has. Also, add some tint, that'll make it easily look better.

4) Where is the Hofmeister Kink???? Wilhelm Hofmeister is rolling in his grave.

5) And of course, the usual, Kidney Grills. An electric car, which needs only minimal cooling/intakes, should not need a full length and fake plastic Kidney Grill. Oh and the hood-line will likely make an unwanted appearance in production form.
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1) This is a terrible color to present new cars in. Really, Camry Gold???? Not a cool red, blue, green, anything else? This is the same color that only grandma would buy, not to mention they added bright blue accents to the side which doesn't work well when mixed together.
They're catering to the Asian market (China), where most of their sales growth is.
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Pricing is gonna have to be good, because a Model 3 Performance w/ 300 miles of range can be had at the same price as a loaded 330i at $58k, and thats getting the new Track V2 Software which allows you to change the power ratio completely, not to mention superchargers exist for Tesla. Who knows what else Tesla will do by the time the i4 comes out?
bmw won't price this car competitively against the model 3. cost and battery production limit and the fact they are a ICE focused manufacture pretty much determines this is a small volume car at best. aimed at recouping some lost sales to model 3 from 3/4/5 series.

I expect the top range i4 that's coming out to start at $70K before options and incentive. the lower versions starting at $60K a year later.

it's a competitor to Tesla in the sense that you need to pay up to distinguish yourself from the plebeian model 3 drivers that are everywhere these days.
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I'm finding it so easy to not like this car. However, if you take the silhouette and move the roof line forward about a foot and then smooth out the trunk it looks awesome 😆 my Photoshop skills aren't good enough to bring that to reality.

One slightly pointless observation, it looks like the instrument cluster had a rev clock, what's the point if it doesn't have any gears? I'm assuming it's single speed and as such your Speedo will tell you the same as the revs - am I missing something?
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Personally don't want a solid glass roof, I prefer a metal over my head...
I know I'm an outlier on this specific topic, so I haven't commented on this until you did, but I straight up wouldn't buy any vehicle with a glass or panoramic roof. I'm no so much concerned about a rollover, as I don't want all that exposure to the sun. I added 3m Crystalline tint film on my 335i's conventional sunroof, and I still can't stand to have the shade open even a tiny bit. Living with a full-glass roof sounds like torture, so they're literally a deal breaker for me.
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I love it. No complaints with the car but not a huge fan of the hub cap looking wheels
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Pricing is gonna have to be good, because a Model 3 Performance w/ 300 miles of range can be had at the same price as a loaded 330i at $58k, and thats getting the new Track V2 Software which allows you to change the power ratio completely, not to mention superchargers exist for Tesla. Who knows what else Tesla will do by the time the i4 comes out?
bmw won't price this car competitively against the model 3. cost and battery production limit and the fact they are a ICE focused manufacture pretty much determines this is a small volume car at best. aimed at recouping some lost sales to model 3 from 3/4/5 series.

I expect the top range i4 that's coming out to start at $70K before options and incentive. the lower versions starting at $60K a year later.

it's a competitor to Tesla in the sense that you need to pay up to distinguish yourself from the plebeian model 3 drivers that are everywhere these days.
Do people really consider the Tesla experience (status, luxury, refinement) equal to a BMW? I don't. I think of a Tesla more like a Volkswagen or maybe a Volvo at best. Of course a BMW would be more expensive than a Tesla in the same category. This is elementary to me.
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It's cool and all that but I ain't ready for it. Someday....
Excellent way to put it.
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I like it, looks excellent, especially for an EV model

...now let's hope they keep the panoramic roof and don't add a hood line to the production model
Panoramic roof should NEVER be forced in areas like Texas an Arizona the way they do it now. The sun is our enemy...
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bmw won't price this car competitively against the model 3. cost and battery production limit and the fact they are a ICE focused manufacture pretty much determines this is a small volume car at best. aimed at recouping some lost sales to model 3 from 3/4/5 series.

I expect the top range i4 that's coming out to start at $70K before options and incentive. the lower versions starting at $60K a year later.

it's a competitor to Tesla in the sense that you need to pay up to distinguish yourself from the plebeian model 3 drivers that are everywhere these days.
So it'll be another car for the BMW fanbois.
Tesla can rest easy.
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bmw won't price this car competitively against the model 3. cost and battery production limit and the fact they are a ICE focused manufacture pretty much determines this is a small volume car at best. aimed at recouping some lost sales to model 3 from 3/4/5 series.

I expect the top range i4 that's coming out to start at $70K before options and incentive. the lower versions starting at $60K a year later.

it's a competitor to Tesla in the sense that you need to pay up to distinguish yourself from the plebeian model 3 drivers that are everywhere these days.
So it'll be another car for the BMW fanbois.
Not just BMW fans, but all luxury car buyers will feel more at home with a luxury brand EV than the more utilitarian Teslas. I think BMW would be smart to show this contrast and stay true to their luxury car roots (at least in the US) instead of simply making a German version of a Tesla.
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bmw won't price this car competitively against the model 3. cost and battery production limit and the fact they are a ICE focused manufacture pretty much determines this is a small volume car at best. aimed at recouping some lost sales to model 3 from 3/4/5 series.

I expect the top range i4 that's coming out to start at $70K before options and incentive. the lower versions starting at $60K a year later.

it's a competitor to Tesla in the sense that you need to pay up to distinguish yourself from the plebeian model 3 drivers that are everywhere these days.
So it'll be another car for the BMW fanbois.
Not just BMW fans, but all luxury car buyers will feel more at home with a luxury brand EV than the more utilitarian Teslas. I think BMW would be smart to show this contrast and stay true to their luxury car roots (at least in the US) instead of simply making a German version of a Tesla.
BMW is going to have to do something much different than Audi, Jaguar, Mercedes, etc. Because despite their "luxury," they're all flopping and Tesla is winning the EV game, and while to us the enthusiast, we may not think of them as luxury, plenty of the general public does, and the brand/badge appeal and prestige of Tesla is pretty strong in the market.
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bmw won't price this car competitively against the model 3. cost and battery production limit and the fact they are a ICE focused manufacture pretty much determines this is a small volume car at best. aimed at recouping some lost sales to model 3 from 3/4/5 series.

I expect the top range i4 that's coming out to start at $70K before options and incentive. the lower versions starting at $60K a year later.

it's a competitor to Tesla in the sense that you need to pay up to distinguish yourself from the plebeian model 3 drivers that are everywhere these days.
So it'll be another car for the BMW fanbois.
Not just BMW fans, but all luxury car buyers will feel more at home with a luxury brand EV than the more utilitarian Teslas. I think BMW would be smart to show this contrast and stay true to their luxury car roots (at least in the US) instead of simply making a German version of a Tesla.
BMW is going to have to do something much different than Audi, Jaguar, Mercedes, etc. Because despite their "luxury," they're all flopping and Tesla is winning the EV game, and while to us the enthusiast, we may not think of them as luxury, plenty of the general public does, and the brand/badge appeal and prestige of Tesla is pretty strong.

Even the Mustang Mach-E which seems pretty promising, only has 41k reservations in place, which I would 100% bet is much less than the number of Model Y reservations.
I think the true luxury brands have the heritage and reputation to show contrast and display how Tesla is not a luxury brand. It will be interesting to see how perceptions change with Tesla, or if Tesla will move upmarket to take on these brands directly.
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I thought this would be hitting roads by 2021, apparently BMW USA's facebook is saying a launch of sometime between January to June of 2022 (and that's if it is on time)
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Panoramic roof should NEVER be forced in areas like Texas an Arizona the way they do it now. The sun is our enemy...
But without it we would be dead.
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It's extremely pretty.

A bold statement piece for sure.

It definitely doesn't appeal to me as a man.

It will be cool to see the production car vs this design exercise.
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In a different colour the grill blends in much better.

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Do people really consider the Tesla experience (status, luxury, refinement) equal to a BMW? I don't. I think of a Tesla more like a Volkswagen or maybe a Volvo at best. Of course a BMW would be more expensive than a Tesla in the same category. This is elementary to me.
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Do people really consider the Tesla experience (status, luxury, refinement) equal to a BMW? I don't. I think of a Tesla more like a Volkswagen or maybe a Volvo at best. Of course a BMW would be more expensive than a Tesla in the same category. This is elementary to me.
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You appear to be using sales figures as a tool to push back on my contention that Tesla isn't a luxury brand. Toyota's Camry sold 337k units in 2019... Does that make a Toyota a luxury nameplate in your mind? To me, the data you present reinforces my point that Tesla is more of a mass-market brand.
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You appear to be using sales figures as a tool to push back on my contention that Tesla isn't a luxury brand. Toyota's Camry sold 337k units in 2019... Does that make a Toyota a luxury nameplate in your mind? To me, the data you present reinforces my point that Tesla is more of a mass-market brand.
camry isn't marketed as an entry lvl luxury sedan, model 3 is, and it's selling better than all its competition in the entire market segment.

arguing whether tesla is a mass market brand or not is pretty pathetic, the buyers don't care about that, just like how they don't care if BMW has "prestige" or "heritage", the sales numbers show that. the fact that bmw wasn't able to present a viable competitor against the model 3 is what's making it losing sales, and with the i4, it's trying to play catch up. whether that'll succeed or not is anyone's guess, i'm leaning towards no since i don't believe it'll be price at a level that'll make it competitive against the model 3.
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... i don't believe it'll be price at a level that'll make it competitive against the model 3.
Yes, that is the critical factor for many of us....Polestar 2 is coming. Cannot bring myself to look at Tesla Model 3 again...the display models were of awful quality the last time. Next generation maybe for them.
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