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      11-02-2018, 03:32 PM   #67
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The iX3 Concept might interest you.

I like the concept of iX3, I hope this will be released before model Y, otherwise it would be a problem for BMW.
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And yet hardly anybody wants them. Electric vehicles are definitely part of the future, to the extent that personal transport is still in the future in an increasingly urbanised world.

Also if Teslas are great, why do they only sell a handful outside the US, where you'd think demand would be insatiable given that fuel prices are unrecognisably higher?
From US sales report, Tesla sold 13500 model 3 in July, while BMW sold 9502 2+3+4+5 series in total, "hardly anybody wants them"? Tesla sells only few outside US because they don't have factories outside US, but it's not a problem anymore because Tesla is going to build a factory in China within 2 years.
Dude, I'm an owner of X3 m40 and i3 and I like BMW, you know what I'm worrying about? I'm worrying that I won't be able to see BMW survive after 3 years because I see more model 3 on the road in a day than the 3 series I see in a month.
BTW do you know why Tesla sold 13500 model 3 while BMW sold 9502 same level cars? Because Tesla can only build these much while BMW can only sell those much.
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Majority of the e-cars owners own an ICE vehicle.
Until e-cars come down to the price of a Mazda 3 or Honda Civic, it will be seen as a niche. It'll be interesting to see how the sales of e-cars when the subsidies stop. I know Tesla was so concerned that they took Ontario gov. to court (and won) because of potential sale losses (see Denmark I think).

No one drives around racing their Teslas at the sight of another vehicle. Unless one is insecure. At that burn rate, the Model S/3/X system will shut down nor go further. Audi's e-Tron seems pretty good. BMW has a few e-car models. Auto mfgs do not need to beat Tesla, they just have to outlast it which I think isn't too hard thanks to Elon.

e-cars are probably here to stay. ICE will eventually be toys for the rich. See horseback riding and equestrian.
I live in WA, gov doesn't give tax incentives for EV beyond $30k, 2 months ago it has also reached EV incentive quota and no more tax incentives. Without local tax incentives people still love model 3 and model X so crazy, I'm seeing more and more on the road.
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And yet hardly anybody wants them. Electric vehicles are definitely part of the future, to the extent that personal transport is still in the future in an increasingly urbanised world.

Also if Teslas are great, why do they only sell a handful outside the US, where you'd think demand would be insatiable given that fuel prices are unrecognisably higher?
From US sales report, Tesla sold 13500 model 3 in July, while BMW sold 9502 2+3+4+5 series in total, "hardly anybody wants them"? Tesla sells only few outside US because they don't have factories outside US, but it's not a problem anymore because Tesla is going to build a factory in China within 2 years.
Dude, I'm an owner of X3 m40 and i3 and I like BMW, you know what I'm worrying about? I'm worrying that I won't be able to see BMW survive after 3 years because I see more model 3 on the road in a day than the 3 series I see in a month.
BTW do you know why Tesla sold 13500 model 3 while BMW sold 9502 same level cars? Because Tesla can only build these much while BMW can only sell those much.
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You are correct about the main auto manufactures needing to outlast Tesla, honestly I don't see how they have lasted this long, however you can't deny that Tesla has spurred some real change in the industry. From electric cars to the way they sell them Tesla has some innovation in what they do. The point is when are the majors going to get on the ball. The i3 frankly sucks. I have had one for an extended 3 day test drive on two separate occasions. The range is deplorable, the pizza pan tires give you screwy handling and lets not even get started on the looks of the thing. If Tesla could get their product manufacturing process a little but more squared away and put shut down Elon's Twitter account they would be killing it. We keep hearing about the i5 or inext from BMW and frankly I want to wait for them before I get on the electric bandwagon, but they are making it really hard and I'm tired of having to go to the gas station. I'd much rather get in my car in my own garage every day as see a full battery every morning.
I have the same feeling. I'm driving my i3 as much as possible so I can spend less time in gas station for my X3. I'm worrying that BMW is becoming the next Nokia or IBM, full of bureaucracy and no courage for innovation. If BMW can't get 3 series EV released after my i3 lease term ends, I will get a model 3.
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You are correct about the main auto manufactures needing to outlast Tesla, honestly I don't see how they have lasted this long, however you can't deny that Tesla has spurred some real change in the industry. From electric cars to the way they sell them Tesla has some innovation in what they do. The point is when are the majors going to get on the ball. The i3 frankly sucks. I have had one for an extended 3 day test drive on two separate occasions. The range is deplorable, the pizza pan tires give you screwy handling and lets not even get started on the looks of the thing. If Tesla could get their product manufacturing process a little but more squared away and put shut down Elon's Twitter account they would be killing it. We keep hearing about the i5 or inext from BMW and frankly I want to wait for them before I get on the electric bandwagon, but they are making it really hard and I'm tired of having to go to the gas station. I'd much rather get in my car in my own garage every day as see a full battery every morning.
I have the same feeling. I'm driving my i3 as much as possible so I can spend less time in gas station for my X3. I'm worrying that BMW is becoming the next Nokia or IBM, full of bureaucracy and no courage for innovation. If BMW can't get 3 series EV released after my i3 lease term ends, I will get a model 3.
Enjoy your Tesla. And before you go there, I would encourage to investigate the poor service claims from Tesla service centers.
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Are you serious?:
https://cleantechnica.com/2018/08/06...tion-us-sales/
https://cleantechnica.com/2018/10/03...charts-graphs/
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Your mind is clearly made up. What are you doing in a BMW forum? Sell your Bimmers before the company goes under. It is clear that BMW is doomed in the face of such a formidable adversary as Tesla.
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this is the biggest troll post ever
No, if I'm a troll I would post this in Tesla's forum not here. I like BMW but I'm getting more and more disappointed for BMW not moving fast for hybrid and electric. Mercedes and Audi have released 48v hybrid system but I haven't seen BMW's investment on this, also Audi has opened pre-order for e-tron ahead of iX3. The thing I'm worrying about is, would BMW even survive after Tesla starts operating factory in Shanghai and releasing model Y?
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I'm sure a lot of M owners appreciate they can go for a full race day and be able to drive home after immediately if needed. all I can think of is putting a beating on those batteries using ludicrous mode and going around a track week in and week out (if you're an avid track person) and eventually pieces of your shitty built tesla start flying all over the track and the batteries go to shit and then you can't even drive home because you're waiting for a 4 hour charge. lol. I'm pretty sure tesla can't even do a full nurburg lap without something exploding or overheating or something going wrong. I saw somewhere it just shat itself half way around multiple tracks. bmw will be just fine and 99% of these people on the forums couldn't care less about what tesla is or isn't doing and what bmw is or isn't doing about tesla. such as myself.
A video for tesla doing a lap in nurburgring in 2014.https://jalopnik.com/heres-what-a-te...rin-1600644908
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From US sales report, Tesla sold 13500 model 3 in July, while BMW sold 9502 2+3+4+5 series in total, "hardly anybody wants them"? Tesla sells only few outside US because they don't have factories outside US, but it's not a problem anymore because Tesla is going to build a factory in China within 2 years.
Dude, I'm an owner of X3 m40 and i3 and I like BMW, you know what I'm worrying about? I'm worrying that I won't be able to see BMW survive after 3 years because I see more model 3 on the road in a day than the 3 series I see in a month.
BTW do you know why Tesla sold 13500 model 3 while BMW sold 9502 same level cars? Because Tesla can only build these much while BMW can only sell those much.
My, the Atlantic has never seemed wider. Model 3 sales in the rest of the world are zero. I had to look it up on the internet to see what it looked like.

BMW should pull out of NA altogether. Or make an offshoot, called AMW. Sell your BMWs because in your country they will soon be worth nil as dealerships are abandoned. Donít forget to keep dropping by here to take a dump though
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Are you serious?:
He needs to get not out of a Dodge, but BMW. And not only that, but get off the pot and start shorting German auto stock, and use the money to buy more US-only Teslas. The rest of us can go back to banging rocks!

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Why would BMW want to put in a cheap plastic interior with Mercedes switch gear in their cars?
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Tesla buyers are getting duped. Fools and their cash parting ways..

https://www.consumeraffairs.com/auto...la_motors.html
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Tesla buyers are getting duped. Fools and their cash parting ways..

https://www.consumeraffairs.com/auto...la_motors.html
https://jalopnik.com/bumper-falls-of...nut-1828306917
Crap build quality. These things are clearly built to a very low standard and not intended to last even the drive home from the dealer as shown above.

But the Musk acolytes will never accept or acknowledge problems with the expensive/shoddy products churned out by the prima Donna narcissist.
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Why would BMW want to put in a cheap plastic interior with Mercedes switch gear in their cars?
And Mercedes gear like from 2 generations ago.
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A video for tesla doing a lap in nurburgring in 2014.https://jalopnik.com/heres-what-a-te...rin-1600644908
Yep, they are absolutely incapable of going around a track, quoting from your link:

The lap itself was around 10 minutes Bridge to Gantry (in heavy traffic) but unfortunately the car went into a reduced power mode about 3 minutes in due to excess battery heat


Or what about this one?



Cuts so much power after about one minute around the track. Crosses the start line at 133mph, comes back 3 minutes later at 114mph. It is slower around that track than a Civic Si by 3 seconds!

Yes they can go fast in a straight line but they aren't a performance car.
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A video for tesla doing a lap in nurburgring in 2014.https://jalopnik.com/heres-what-a-te...rin-1600644908
Yep, they are absolutely incapable of going around a track, quoting from your link:

The lap itself was around 10 minutes Bridge to Gantry (in heavy traffic) but unfortunately the car went into a reduced power mode about 3 minutes in due to excess battery heat


Or what about this one?



Cuts so much power after about one minute around the track. Crosses the start line at 133mph, comes back 3 minutes later at 114mph. It is slower around that track than a Civic Si by 3 seconds!

Yes they can go fast in a straight line but they aren't a performance car.
Battery technology needs to further develop before electric cars are a viable option for the majority of the population. Current battery technology holds them back a lot.
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Well I'm far from a millennial and I can tell you that a Model 3 performance would eat your M4 for lunch.

I have to admit...I'm a tech guy own apple everything and I work on F-18 Avionics systems for a living, don't get me wrong, I love BMW I have owned 5 and would love to own an M car, but I wish BMW would get off its a$$ and build a proper electric car.
Why? What for?
Gas is cheap, it's cheaper in US than Europe. Who cares about the environment that much to drive a toaster oven. One 18 wheeler spits out more pollution in one month driving around the country than I ever will in my car for the rest of my life.
I swear California and Apple should be its own country
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Well I'm far from a millennial and I can tell you that a Model 3 performance would eat your M4 for lunch.

I have to admit...I'm a tech guy own apple everything and I work on F-18 Avionics systems for a living, don't get me wrong, I love BMW I have owned 5 and would love to own an M car, but I wish BMW would get off its a$$ and build a proper electric car.
Why? What for?
Gas is cheap, it's cheaper in US than Europe. Who cares about the environment that much to drive a toaster oven. One 18 wheeler spits out more pollution in one month driving around the country than I ever will in my car for the rest of my life.
I swear California and Apple should be its own country
The problem his Tesla Model 3 Performance will soon overheat as soon as the car is done it's first fast off the line run and then go into limp mode. Electric cars are only good for straight line brief runs very batteries overheat.
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No, if I'm a troll I would post this in Tesla's forum not here. I like BMW but I'm getting more and more disappointed for BMW not moving fast for hybrid and electric. Mercedes and Audi have released 48v hybrid system but I haven't seen BMW's investment on this, also Audi has opened pre-order for e-tron ahead of iX3. The thing I'm worrying about is, would BMW even survive after Tesla starts operating factory in Shanghai and releasing model Y?
Stop trolling lmao. There was literally a post recently stating "BMW Exec Says 85 Percent of 2030 Lineup Will Still Use Internal Combustion".
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Oh boy, here we go again.

Where do I start? With the poor build quality, that hideous front end, that 'squat on the floor' rear seat, or the generic Corolla looks? Or that inert, no roar driving experience? What Tesla owners like OP need to realize is that we BMW enthusiasts buy Bimmers because of their soul - not to go from Point A to Point B fast.

Nothing against Model 3 buyers - let them be the guinea pigs while Musk learns mass production. And battery technology improves sufficiently when I can charge to a full charge in 5 minutes. Till then I will hear my TwinPower Turbo roar and the exhaust burble as I take the twisters where ever I can find them.
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