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      12-12-2018, 08:41 AM   #67
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And those seeking the best performance and driving experience from the new 3 class range
One and the same, by the looks of things here...
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      12-12-2018, 09:41 AM   #68
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I dont see anything particularly wrong with the car but I also don't find anything to be excited about here.
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So in the CarWow review he does a 1/4 mile test. Not bad - 12.6 at 112.4 mph. I'm sure the AWD helped get that time down but the mid 112 mph speed is impressive for a stock 340.

Also, Automobile magazine review says the 330 lost 121 lbs yet lists the official curb weight as 3583 lbs. BMWs website for the current 330i automatic says it's 3541. They always seem to play games with weight loss. If they were accurate every time they said this, the 3 series would be 3,000 lbs by now.
This is always a point I take with skepticism from BMW and reviewers alike. As always we won't be able to know the true weight of the vehicle until IND puts it in on their scales and posts it on the forum.
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Visor test fail. The f'd up part is apparently BMW received complaints about visors that slide back. How is that even possible?
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      12-12-2018, 09:55 AM   #71
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Jason Cammisa got to review the cars for Road and Track. His impressions seem very accurate:
https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...-drive-review/
https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...ve-track-test/
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Ya, The day I spend that kind of money for a 4 cylinder is the day I check myself into a mental hospital.
People spent over 3 times as much on a 3 cylinder
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      12-12-2018, 10:08 AM   #73
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If you look at how all the 3 series have evolved starting from the e30 to the e36, it was a big change in aesthetics and performance. Going from the e36 to e46, it was a big change in aesthetics and performance as well. E46 to e90/92 also had a big change in aesthetics and performance. However going from e90/92 to F80/82 I started seeing minimal changes when it came to aesthetics, since it just seemed to be like an update. The way I see it is like they just updated the e90/92 looks by swooping front end more forward and made it look lower. There you go, new F80/82. LOL! Definitely no wow factor for me. Performance declined too. This was also the first time the 3 series lost its spot in a magazine (Car and Driver) where it dominated for numerous years in the 10 best category. Finally the jump from F80/82 to the G20 series... Tbh, the G20 again just looks like an update from the F80/82 aesthetics wise, however performance "seemed" too be better this time around....

My point for this post is for every model change from e30 to e36 to e46 to e90/92, etc had a huge change in the way car looked and performed, but after the e90/92 model, the 3 series just started to look like an aesthetic update. The 3 series just seems to look bland to me since then. With no 6-speed available in the new G20, this has really turned me off from getting a new 3 series.

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      12-12-2018, 10:14 AM   #74
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Jason Cammisa got to review the cars for Road and Track. His impressions seem very accurate:
https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...-drive-review/
https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...ve-track-test/
Good reviews as you say and sensibly balanced, avoiding the superlatives a lot of lesser journos tend to favour when writing up their 'first drives'

The headline says it all for me: "The 2019 BMW 330i Is Better, But Not a Game Changer"

This is what I expected, and hoped for too, given that I only bought my 440i a year ago and I need to hang on to it
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I dont see anything particularly wrong with the car but I also don't find anything to be excited about here.
Pretty much how I feel.
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      12-12-2018, 10:18 AM   #76
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Many reviewers mention that interior materials are "not up to par" and "ho-hum" and "Mazda offers more exciting interior design". I find this very concerning given that the interior quality was a weak spot on the F30.

As for the manual, Audi and Benz don't offer it, true enough. But then why get the beemer over the other two?
Why get any of the other two over beemer?
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Nice review: https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...ve-track-test/

But noted this:
"The long straight-six takes up some of the space required by the new dual-pinion electrically assisted power-steering rack used in the four-cylinder 330i, so the M340i uses the old ZF APA-style rack from the last-generation F30-chassis 3-series, and the difference is immediately obvious. Though I was cautioned that some of what I felt could have been attributed to high tire temperatures from track driving (the M340i prototypes werenít legal to drive on the street), I immediately noticed some of the on-center vagueness that plagued the last-generation car but not the new 330i. Letís hope the hot tires were indeed responsible."

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      12-12-2018, 10:24 AM   #78
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From reading the majority of the reviews they all pretty much say the same thing. Better successor to the F30 and overall improvement from the previous generation. Not the benchmark compared to the C class of Mercedes and Giulia of AR. Very curious to see how the G80 pans out.
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So in the CarWow review he does a 1/4 mile test. Not bad - 12.6 at 112.4 mph. I'm sure the AWD helped get that time down but the mid 112 mph speed is impressive for a stock 340.

Also, Automobile magazine review says the 330 lost 121 lbs yet lists the official curb weight as 3583 lbs. BMWs website for the current 330i automatic says it's 3541. They always seem to play games with weight loss. If they were accurate every time they said this, the 3 series would be 3,000 lbs by now.
They weigh the chassis alone and say it lost weight but then the mandatory 'options' bring it back up.
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      12-12-2018, 01:10 PM   #80
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Jason Cammisa got to review the cars for Road and Track. His impressions seem very accurate:
https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...-drive-review/
https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...ve-track-test/
I was just going to mention the Road&Track review. Seems to be the most balanced and realistic perspective. Cammisa tends to be cynical/harsh on BMW so it's nice to hear he has some good things to say about the driving dynamics.
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From reading the majority of the reviews they all pretty much say the same thing. Better successor to the F30 and overall improvement from the previous generation. Not the benchmark compared to the C class of Mercedes and Giulia of AR. Very curious to see how the G80 pans out.
Not sure where you heard about the C-class being a better car. I never read that anywhere, all anybody has said is that the Merc's interior is still a tad nicer.

My general impression from all these reviews is that this is the best all-rounder in the segment. The Merc's interior is a little better, the Audi's tech is a little better, the Alfa drives about the same or marginally better; but the Bimmer put everything together very well. Personally I would still take a solid look at the Alfa to see if it's steering can make up for it's mediocrity in all other areas.

The G70 seems like a solid effort but the Genesis division has major issues with its dealership network, historically poor residuals since the division's launch, and a very plain jane interior design. I'd like to see it succeed but the media is definitely overrating it by virtue of its underdog status.
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      12-12-2018, 01:52 PM   #82
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Why get any of the other two over beemer?
I would guess if its not like a huge difference, the interior in the mercedes just feels better.

I sat in the 340i at the LA auto show and compared to a C43 or something, the C43 feels like another level of luxury. I'd imagine if you were really close between an m340xi and a C43 and manual was what was pushing you towards BMW, well not having it would probably make the C43 pretty appealing.

I have an audi now, and I'd still probably think its in 3rd place as the interior is fairly similar quality wise. Then again its not as ugly imo
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I haven't seen this mentioned - Shmee mentioned in his video that the new HUD in the M340i has shift lights. Think he means we get a tach in the HUD now?
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The Road & Track article states that the M340i uses the steering rack from the F30 (for packaging reasons) and only the 4 cylinder models will get the updated dual pinion rack. That's disappointing:

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The long straight-six takes up some of the space required by the new dual-pinion electrically assisted power-steering rack used in the four-cylinder 330i, so the M340i uses the old ZF APA-style rack from the last-generation F30-chassis 3-series, and the difference is immediately obvious. Though I was cautioned that some of what I felt could have been attributed to high tire temperatures from track driving (the M340i prototypes weren’t legal to drive on the street), I immediately noticed some of the on-center vagueness that plagued the last-generation car but not the new 330i. Let’s hope the hot tires were indeed responsible.
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Couldn't agree more with you on this. The F30 was a HUGE step down in interior quality in comparison to the E90. Fit and finish/materials were a massive step down. I'm so disappointed that it won't be available with a manual! That's the only reason why I still have my 2012 328i sedan. Yeah, the steering and suspension tuning are so lousy in comparison to the E90, but it has a manual. I REALLY hope they'll bring it back in a future model year.
This is why I never got rid of the E90. Forget it being peak BMW interior like I said earlier, that car was peak BMW plain and simple. It had just the right amount of tech without being overbearing. The interior was simple and high quality, and you could tell by the cupholder arrangement that the car wasn't for comfort and badge-seeking types...it was meant to be driven!

My pops bought the thing brand new on the showroom floor 10 yrs ago. It was a special order black on brown Sport model which the dude who ordered backed out of. He knew he had to have it immediately and made the deal that same day. Since then it has only been maintained at BMW dealerships, been regularly waxed and had its leather cleaned and conditioned by my very own hands. Every turn of the wheel makes me smile. I love this car so much, it sparked my love affair with BMW.
Can I get an AMEN?!

I owned an E90 330i for a year & sold it, I immediately realized I made a mistake. A year later, I've bought an E90 335i, & settled on the fact that I'm never selling it. Honestly don't know if I can say the same for my F32 440i. Amazing car, but as others have said, BMW hasn't had that signature spark since the E90.

Each day we shift a little bit further from the light....
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Can I get an AMEN?!

I owned an E90 330i for a year & sold it, I immediately realized I made a mistake. A year later, I've bought an E90 335i, & settled on the fact that I'm never selling it. Honestly don't know if I can say the same for my F32 440i. Amazing car, but as others have said, BMW hasn't had that signature spark since the E90.

Each day we shift a little bit further from the light....
I'm so jealous you have the 335, that car is truly as peak BMW as it gets.

What bothers me with my car is the ho hum power and lack of a screen inside. Sure, without the screen the interior is timeless but there's no backup camera and the USB integration for my music has all but crapped out. A big part of the driving experience for me is having the right music going.

I have heard of a USB-Bluetooth adapter...maybe that will fix my woes.
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The Road & Track article states that the M340i uses the steering rack from the F30 (for packaging reasons) and only the 4 cylinder models will get the updated dual pinion rack. That's disappointing:
I read about this a few days ago. Disappointing but Cammisa did mention the steering is still really good aside from a minor on-center dead spot.

At the end of the day one will have to drive both for themselves to really know.
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