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I am one of the “first M” car owners and have only driven a Porsche as a valet driver 30 some odd years ago. The predominant theme of those who agree that the G80 isn’t a sports car usually point to the fact that is missing something that previous M cars had and other “true sports car”[s] still possess.
As a “first M” owner I have been impressed with how easy it is to drive a car with so much torque, cornering ability and braking power. So as I read others opinions on the this platform compared to others I can’t help but wonder if the way this car feels is due to having so much of everything that it has to have all the nanny systems because if not, then 90% of the drivers in the world would wipe out at some point during ownership. This way BMW can sell an “M car” to just about any skill level. Sell more cars with that strategy at the expense of the hardcore “race car” purist who are going to go to Porsche anyway. Just a thought. Last edited by M4ord; 03-16-2023 at 07:42 AM.. |
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i can understand the point here ultimately but it doesn't really change anything imo... the M3 is a better "performance" vehicle than most sports cars and offers unmatched DD qualities... that essentially exactly what I am looking for
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I would classify it as sports car because it's controls are precise enough to keep it on the edge. A luxury car does not like the edge, its screams at you to stop it and slow down, it cries about G forces. You are a feels guys, a lot of sports car drivers are a feels person. But there are some who want performance over feels. I want the best laptime, I want the highest corner speed, the latest braking zone. I could care less how it feels to get me there, but I want to get there and that is what I want in a sports car.
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But driving in comfort/efficient the car is like a regular 3 series. Totally different in sport/sport plus everything with or without MDM/traction. Feels and sounds completely different. |
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It absolutely is a performer. No doubt. It’s a very nice cabin to be in and the performance is beyond anything else in my garage, by far. A great DD for sure. I think in the case of the m3 the way it goes about moving at normal speeds is… maybe less visceral than I was anticipating, very comfortable though. A continent crusher rather than a mountainous twisty backroad friend. It’s ultra composed, quite comfortable, ultra fast. A very, very good car. The stereo is actually very good. So much better than the Porsche. The g80 is way more comfortable, faster, a better built car all around imo. It’s just not quite as fun to drive at more pedestrian speeds, as I see it. It’s supercar like competent, to me at least (having never been in a supercar). I think I might think of this car as a baby m5. I guess I should drive a new 2 series someday as I have heard countless times the 2 series is the new 3 series. Someone else had said something to the effect that the g80 is more like the m5, and I think that sounds about right to me. I never thought of the m5 as a sports car either, but it has blistering performance and is a wonderful place to be. I like the g80, but in a different way than I expected. I feel quite… protected (from everything) in the m3 lol. Probably one of the best DD on the planet. It feels a bit big, but I don’t mind it and I wanted the extra seats. I don’t think this car belongs in the sports car category, which is not a knock on the car at all. It’s very, very good at what it is and does. People say it has a dual character and in M mode it comes alive, so I’m excited to feel that once out of break in. It’s a little hard to imagine this car as being what you want to toss into corners… speed is definitely not the issue here. It has speed in spades. It could also be that this car’s limits are so high that I don’t reach them and wouldn’t feel comfortable testing them. The 718 is only 300hp, but going around a corner at 60mph is thrilling and at 80 it can be mildly terrifying. It feels like you’re in a cockpit of sorts and it’s fun. Going 100 in the 718 is a bit scary. It’s not scary at all, not at all in the g80. It’s actually nothing really. It’s so competent it doesn’t even register as an event. I’ve heard multiple times that it feels lighter at speed, that it wakes up where other cars are at the limit. I might not have the constitution to really push this car on a road. Maybe I misspoke and it is more of a race car at speed and needs a track. I can almost see that and almost feel how that would be so, just because of how quickly it accelerates. Not sure I have the constitution for that level of performance. I would def want to have a helmet on. It’s very, very quick. |
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So that is why the M3 is a better sports car than the 718 for me, because its faster.
But the 718 is better for you because it feels better to get around the track. But I want a lower time and don't care how it feels. I want precision and speed over feel. Both camps are valid, but tons of people mistake how it feels for "sports", when precision and speed is also a valid category.
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To me the M3 is the best "one car garage" you can have, it does everything extremely well.
I traded in my 987 Cayman that I had used as my daily for 7 years when getting my M3 and from a pure driving dynamic and looks perspective I would take the 987 any day, but until I have another garage space the M3 scratches the itch of a sports car that I can take on track and do a fun Saturday drive but also allows me to have my kid in the back, drive collogues and business connections to lunch/dinner and take my family to the zoo or to the airport. Most of that was not really working as well in the Cayman. To me the M3 is like a steel sports Rolex, you can find a more suited watch for most situations, but if you can "only" have one, then it works great while wearing either a t-shirt or a tux. Last edited by Gandalf The White; 03-16-2023 at 03:43 PM.. |
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I felt this way also. So much so that I went to Spartenburg and took thier G80 and G82s around to find the limit of the car. You most certainly will not find the limits of these cars on the street. I suspect 718 limits cant be found on the street either.
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You know, Granny, that some of us might not always obey speed limits, right?
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We know that no vehicle with four doors is a sports car, but can a sports car have four seats?
Asking for a friend.
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Merriam Webster definition of a sports car:
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Yeah, it's tough. I think I understand the point you were trying to make though, but I'll suggest that your point was based on an incorrect hypothesis. Quote:
Now, me personally, I find the Miata to be too small, too low, too underpowered with an abysmal lack of quality in the interior plastics and very uncomfortable, so I won't own one. BUT, I grew up with convertible British sports cars with partly unsynchronized transmissions and a reluctance to start in wet, damp, nearly wet or sunshiny weather, and so that's kind of my threshold for what is a real sports car. Quote:
Anywho... I've owned multiple Porsches, including a 981 Boxster S. No puny 4 cylinder for me. The Cayman is just a Boxster with a roof, and they are tremendous cars. No doubt. For the ultimate in a responsive, great performing car that communicates everything it does to the driver with no filter, there really is nothing better. That is a sports car. The M3/M4 is a GT car. Truly, the M3/4 is an awesome car, when I bought my second one I drove it from Northern Ohio home to NC in 11 hours, one trip, stopping only to pee, get gas and a burger somewhere in WV. It's an awesome cruiser, but yet it doesn't shine until you take it to the track and get closer to that magical 9/10ths. At that point it becomes a mind-blowing track-capable GT. The term "sports car" is so overused, it's lost most of its meaning. My wife used to refer to her V6 Camaro as a sports car. Sorry, no. My archaic yet perfectly valid definition of a sports car is: - fun to drive - responsive, razor-sharp handling - relatively lightweight - manual transmission - convertible top preferred - typically noisy and uncomfortable You're welcome.
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Can't believe I read 4 pages of this. "Youre mom's a sports car" was the best part, so thanks for that.
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I guess it all depends on what defines a 'sports car'.
Is the 718 'sportier' than a G8x? Definitely. But I get what OP is trying to say. I got the same vibe as soon as a I drove my G82. It definitely feels more like a grand tourer than a hardcore sports car. The added sound insulation, plush leather seats and all the tech stuff adds to that. It's not until you redline the engine and start pushing it into corners that it feels like a true sports car. God I love the dual personality. If I wanted a hardcore sports car, I would've gotten a Lotus. I would dare say that 99% of the owners here weren't looking for one when they were shopping for a G8x. |
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I know people get offended easy these days, but getting triggered because someone says the M3 isn’t a sports car has made my day.
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