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The F30 was a marked change in driving dynamics, far drifted from the legacy BMW 3-series driving experience. Anyone familiar with the 3-series over decades of experience with them says this; it's not kool aid, just reality. Even BMW addressed the issue in 2015 by redesigning the front suspension geometry. The F30 320i with a sport package should drive great out of the box, regardless if it has tunable shock damping or not; but it doesn't.
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01-09-2019, 06:16 AM | #134 |
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I find that it's poor or low-talent drivers who blame their tools. It also made me hoot to hear "Camaro" mentioned in same breath as "3 series". I guess if all you ever have is a hammer...
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"It's quicker, grippier, and more badass than regular Camaros, one of the best performance coupes available regardless of price." And here is what Car and Driver had to say about the Accord: "The Accord is a mature sports sedan, tranquil and composed when you want it to be but ready and willing to play when asked. With a sense of harmony between the primary controls and a fluidity to the responses of the chassis, the Accord engenders confidence. The steering is a bit too light and short on feel—the Civic’s helm is better in both regards—but the Accord’s more relaxed tuning strikes us as appropriate for this larger car. Exquisitely dialed-in damping strikes a near perfect balance between compliance and tautness, giving the Accord wheel control and impact absorption that shames many cars with luxury badges. Our ear also tells us that the new car’s cabin is more hushed than before. Even with its longtime archrival at the top of its game, though, Honda appears to have hit yet another home run. Like nearly all the Accords that came before it, the newest example remains a beautifully engineered, high-quality, and affordable automobile " I am not implying that Accords or Camaros are better (or worse) cars than BMW but from all indications they are all very good cars. I don't think BMW has the edge over other brands that they once did but that is more due to other brands stepping up their game than BMW moving backwards. I don't see this as a bad thing as it gives buyers more choices and it gives BMW a strong incentive to step up its game.
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01-09-2019, 09:49 AM | #136 | |
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Problem is, where can BMW work their magic these days, when there are so many different expectations from a very wide customer base? What we do know, it won't simply be enthusiast based decision making. |
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Yeah, by that logic I guess an F31 is not a 3-series either, because it's not an F30. Like I said whatever floats your boat, I'm done at this point. |
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I find it somewhat ironic when someone is critical of someone else who buys a BMW "for the badge" or doesn't buy the "right" BMW and then proceeds to look down on those who buy "lesser" cars.
I makes me question exactly who is the "Poseur". A true enthusiast appreciates a wide variety of cars.
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01-09-2019, 11:31 PM | #140 | |
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I honestly tend to think the people who get say an a3/x1/320i types tend to be more like... well I wanted something nice for once, and I'm getting something a littler premium because I've been made to think this is premium and its a bit nicer . I don't see those types hanging it over people below them nearly as much as some people who get that like slightly above premium but not ferrari level crazy types in the M4/c63/rs5 tier. |
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Accord: it is an overrated piece of junk and this is according to an ASE technician of 25 years that works on them at the local dealer day in and day out. Those things are coming out of Marysville with all kinds of QC issues... one notable problem is drivetrain vibration felt on the car when in gear and seems to be a problem that plagues CVT equipped Accords (CR-Vs also affected) with no satisfactory resolution. A family member has a blender Accord and dealer's says... they all do it and there is nothing they can do to fix it. Take sometime to peruse the Honda forums to see the complaints these award winning and wonderful can do no wrong cars is doing to Honda's reputation of reliability. It is believed that Honda's quality has slipped below that of Nissan. Sorry I like C&D but to me they are just entertainment value puff pieces passed as automotive journalism. Miss the days of Brock Yates and Caaba Csere. Oh and ditto for the Camaro. It may drive nice but it is another questionable GM product (Been there done that).
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01-11-2019, 04:08 PM | #142 | |
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Let's be honest here... With the traffic gridlock of most major US cities any car with 180-250HP is more than sufficient for 95% of the population. Cars with sub 4 second 0-60 times and excess of over 300-400HP are overkill in the urban setting. I get it bragging rights and all that jazz but most (Unless taken to a closed track) will never get to experience what the car can really accomplish. I simply can not get with the hate towards the 320 and the vulgar stereotyping of their owners.
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If I get a not-BMW I can get a twin turbo V6 for the same price that BMW wants to sell me a turbo 4. And a lot of these cars are just as great to drive as the E90 or even more so. It's a hard stretch to swallow having to order ZPP to get the privilege of paying $1700 to order ZDY when all the non-luxury manufactures are providing these same sorts of features on trims that cost less than $30,000. I can walk into a Hyundai dealership and pick up a base G70 that is five grand less than the list cost of a G20 and includes a ridiculous laundry list of features that if forced to add through the ridiculous package system would barely keep a G20 under $50K. It's just kind of disappointing. I would have loved to stay in the BMW family of cars. I just can't justify the massive gulf in pricing to stay. Not when the stuff below is so good. |
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I managed to get my current car with 40% off list, at just over a year old and 6k miles. One BMW UK HQ driver, for a few months. |
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I believe the difference today, compared to years ago, is the quality of the competition. Years back we could get cars that drove as well, much better optioned, for something like 30% less than an equivalent performing BMW. But... the quality and durability wasn't there. Made it easier to justify the higher costs of the BMW. |
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That's how you can best justify late model BMW ownership from a fiscally responsible perspective. It takes time and patience but you can always find a fresh sample only months old with a few hundred/thousand miles still with the new car smell and the excellent warranty to boot.
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While I still believe you pay a premium for the brand name (as it the case with luxury goods) I also believe you are getting a vehicle that is inherently better built and safer than say the Korean competition. Anyone can make a decent car these days and add screens and gadgets and call it a day. But the problem is that corners are still being cut in those seemingly "cheaper" alternatives and unfortunately this is done often in places that you don't see. You always get what you paid for. There is no free lunch sort of speak.
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If what you said really made sense, no one would ever buy a new car...
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20%+ savings off MSRP is not that appealing, as local incentives used to be around 20% for brand new cars with 5 miles too(even custom orders).
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I'd expect a bit more from a used car, though. I'd rather buy a new car at 15% off MSRP than a used 1 year old car at 25% off MSRP. |
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If I'm planning on keeping a car for a long time (>6 years), I'm definitely buying new. Considering how long you'll own the car, it's not worth saving a few thousand bucks without knowing if the car was broken in/driven properly. Especially if it's a manual transmission car.
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