[praxis218]

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For "starting MSRP $56,995" listed at the top, we basically get Sensatec seats, 8.8" iDrive screen with no navigation, comfort access, base audio, the M-Sport goodies, and the garage door opener. Everything else appears optional.

See attached. This is from the LA Auto Show.

[RPM90]

Originally Posted by praxis218

For "starting MSRP $56,995" listed at the top, we basically get Sensatec seats, 8.8" iDrive screen with no navigation, comfort access, base audio, the M-Sport goodies, and the garage door opener. Everything else appears optional.

See attached. This is from the LA Auto Show.

So the RWD M340i should be around $55K base and doesn't even include leather and/or the better audio system.

I don't need nor want the lux accessories like NAV, or digital dash, or even the "driver aids". My needs are simple, all of the "sport" items that make for the best driving capability and a good sounding audio system. I'll bet BMW does the stupid again, by forcing buyers to get some expensive "premium pkg" in order to get a $900 audio upgrade, making the $900 audio upgrade cost $4000 plus.

Well, as much as I like what I see about the new M340i, BMW has worked their magic by which to lose my future customership.

Hmm....what is the Genesis website again, with the G70, S. Korea may get a new immigrant to their car brand.

[ThatKrazyPolak]

Wow what a joke, they just shot themselves in the foot. Whats stopping somebody from buying an M3 at that price point, especially with some of the additional features you'd want added? There goes that plan for me. This is really stupid I'm actually pissed.

[praxis218]

Originally Posted by RPM90

So the RWD M340i should be around $55K base and doesn't even include leather and/or the better audio system.

I'm don't need nor want the lux accessories like NAV, or digital dash, or even the "driver aids". My needs are simple, all of the "sport" items that make for the best driving capability and a good sounding audio system. I'll bet BMW does the stupid again, by forcing buyers to get some expensive "premium pkg" in order to get a $900 audio upgrade, making the $900 audio upgrade cost $4000 plus.

Well, as much as I like what I see about the new M340i, BMW has worked their magic by which to lose my future customership.

Hmm....what is the Genesis website again, with the G70, S. Korea may get a new immigrant to their car brand.

Speaking of which, the G70 3D configurator is amazing. It's like playing Forza. Even works on mobile!

[bimmer456]

Originally Posted by RPM90

So the RWD M340i should be around $55K base and doesn't even include leather and/or the better audio system.

I'm don't need nor want the lux accessories like NAV, or digital dash, or even the "driver aids". My needs are simple, all of the "sport" items that make for the best driving capability and a good sounding audio system. I'll bet BMW does the stupid again, by forcing buyers to get some expensive "premium pkg" in order to get a $900 audio upgrade, making the $900 audio upgrade cost $4000 plus.

Well, as much as I like what I see about the new M340i, BMW has worked their magic by which to lose my future customership.

Hmm....what is the Genesis website again, with the G70, S. Korea may get a new immigrant to their car brand.

Is this US pricing? Here we get premium audio standard. The 2018 starts at around $47k. This is a higher bump in price than an LCI or no change model year but it is justifiable for the improvements.

[praxis218]

Originally Posted by bimmer456

Is this US pricing? Here we get premium audio standard. The 2018 starts at around $47k. This is a higher bump in price than an LCI or no change model year but it is justifiable for the improvements.

This info panel is on display at the LA Auto Show and it's in dollars, so yeah.

[undecided]

What gives?

[spiff56747]

Originally Posted by praxis218

Speaking of which, the G70 3D configurator is amazing. It's like playing Forza. Even works on mobile!

The G70 looks appealing overall but there's no manual option on the 3.3 liter, and the interior design doesn't look very premium.

[praxis218]

Originally Posted by spiff56747

The G70 looks appealing overall but there's no manual option on the 3.3 liter, and the interior design doesn't look very premium.

Yeah it reminds me of a Chrysler interior.

[jlin101]

This is a big chunk of change, but not surprising--a base 2019 X3 M40i lists for $55,645 delivered--and that's with 355 hp.

[upsidedownfunnel]

Originally Posted by spiff56747

The G70 looks appealing overall but there's no manual option on the 3.3 liter, and the interior design doesn't look very premium.

All professional reviewers have gone out of their way to praise the G70 interior quality. It is most likely better than the F30 (not saying much, though). Some reviewers indicate that Genesis is the first real upstart luxury brand to really nail interior quality.

Also, the G20 has no manual option at all. Something is better than nothing. If I don't go the M3 route, I'll probably just get a Civic Type R. The G70 2.0T is too slow compared to other 250hp entry luxury sedans.

[hans007]

Originally Posted by upsidedownfunnel

All professional reviewers have gone out of their way to praise the G70 interior quality. It is most likely better than the F30 (not saying much, though). Some reviewers indicate that Genesis is the first real upstart luxury brand to really nail interior quality.

Also, the G20 has no manual option at all. Something is better than nothing. If I don't go the M3 route, I'll probably just get a Civic Type R. The G70 2.0T is too slow compared to other 250hp entry luxury sedans.

I sat in one at the LA Autoshow. I think people get way too mesmerized by quilted leather. But other than that it felt like an audi or bmw interior.

[xlover]

Definitely wish it was cheaper. I was hoping the m340 would represent a relative "bargain" in the line up but unfortunately the pricing doesn't seem wildly out of line.

G20 M340 is basically f30 340 + Msport + track handling + MPPSK + LSD (plus the diff is better than the aftersales version and xdrive actually gets the msport suspension)

Loaded up looking at 65, maybe 70 with traffic jam/every tech package.... like the current model a loaded up version will probably run right up to the barebones M3 starting price

The pain is probably going to be felt most when barebones 340 owners go to replace but if you were optioning up your 340 it shouldn't be wildly off expectations considering the added M performance content as standard

[alex2364]

More expensive than base X3 M40i? They better have some amazing lease programs or people will be going to Audi.

[MT4life]

Honestly I dont care. If it were available with 6MT I'd take it with Lexus lights and disgusting grill and vinyl seats.
Without 6MT its going to be hard to choose between this and other makes

[mathys]

Originally Posted by alex2364

More expensive than base X3 M40i? They better have some amazing lease programs or people will be going to Audi.

Indeed odd that a X3 is cheaper, while normally this model is positioned above the 3 series.

[hans007]

Originally Posted by mathys

Indeed odd that a X3 is cheaper, while normally this model is positioned above the 3 series.

x3 has a lower tune on its engine and doesn't have the diff which is an option. pricing seems about right. no doubt the 2020 x3 gets a slight markup too

[cdgatti]

Hey it is a BMW, they are not supposed to be cheap cars, they are aspirational cars. If you have to ask...

[ThatKrazyPolak]

This is the stupidest move from a business standpoint. The M340 is essentially a poorer mans M3, but its goal is to remain on par with competitive 6 cylinder sedans and the top of the 3 series line. If your telling me I'm getting a naked 6 cylinder for more then 55K, then I'm sorry, but this is a ripoff.

An M3 starts at 66K, so by the time you deck out an M340 will all package options, it will, essentially, cost the same as an M3 which has a higher output anyway. The 10K price buffer is not really that competitive. This does not make any sense there is no incentive at that point to buy an M340. This is beyond frustrating.

Lets not even begin to describe the lack of competitive pricing as compared to an S4....

[undecided]

Originally Posted by upsidedownfunnel

All professional reviewers have gone out of their way to praise the G70 interior quality. It is most likely better than the F30 (not saying much, though). Some reviewers indicate that Genesis is the first real upstart luxury brand to really nail interior quality.

Also, the G20 has no manual option at all. Something is better than nothing. If I don't go the M3 route, I'll probably just get a Civic Type R. The G70 2.0T is too slow compared to other 250hp entry luxury sedans.

The damn nav is the same nav as in every other kia/hyundai. It looks like idrive's poor cousin from National Lampoon's Xmas Vacation.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by ThatKrazyPolak

Lets not even begin to describe the lack of competitive pricing as compared to an S4....

Actually, that is exactly where the discussion should begin since that and the C43 Sedan (along with other six cylinder luxury vehicles in this class) are the M340i's primary competitors.

The F80 M3 is out of production now and while there are some left on lots, those will soon be gone. When the next generation G80 model arrives, the starting price will move up near (but probably still below) $70k to maintain the gap between the top trim 3 Series.

But your point about the S4 is of importance since that vehicle starts at $51,195 with destination charge. I am not sure how standard features might compare to the M340i, but irrespective of that, a >$5000 gap in starting price sure doesn't seem to put BMW in a favorable position. Sure, the S4 has 30hp less at this point, and there is always the debate about Audi driving dynamics. I'm sure there are other factors that those who are actually in the market might be weighing as well, but a >10% higher price for the BMW is still a bit of an ask.

Perhaps the SQ5 is priced at similar discount compared to the X3 M40i too, I'll have to look at that and other data points to reach a more fully formed opinion of the situation.

[ThatKrazyPolak]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Actually, that is exactly where the discussion should begin since that and the C43 Sedan (along with other six cylinder luxury vehicles in this class) are the M340i's primary competitors.

The F80 M3 is out of production now and while there are some left on lots, those will soon be gone. When the next generation G80 model arrives, the starting price will move up near (but probably still below) $70k to maintain the gap between the top trim 3 Series.

But your point about the S4 is of importance since that vehicle starts at $51,195 with destination charge. I am not sure how standard features might compare to the M340i, but irrespective of that, a >$5000 gap in starting price sure doesn't seem to put BMW in a favorable position. Sure, the S4 has 30hp less at this point, and there is always the debate about Audi driving dynamics. I'm sure there are other factors that those who are actually in the market might be weighing as well, but a >10% higher price for the BMW is still a bit of an ask.

Perhaps the SQ5 is priced at similar discount compared to the X3 M40i too, I'll have to look at that and other data points to reach a more fully formed opinion of the situation.

The 30HP difference is negligible. What bothers me is that they are late to the game in terms of adding viable tech like digital dashboards and they have the audacity to charge a premium over every other competitor and offer virtually little standard options.

Listen, I understand a driving purist getting a naked M3 and using his phone as a nav because they want that RWD driving experience, but who is going to go that route with an M340? If there's someone thats going to fork up money for a 6 cylinder, 350+HP sports sedan, they obviously have the money and will go with a fully loaded M3.

The M340 really isn't that special, so why the hell isolate a potential buyer base and make it seem like its so special?