[Mattyk]

You have fog lights, we have 6 cylinders

I can live with that trade off, we may never need the fog lights, you will never have the extra 2 cylinders

[del82]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

You have fog lights, we have 6 cylinders

I can live with that trade off, we may never need the fog lights, you will never have the extra 2 cylinders

This.

[OM3RTA]

Originally Posted by ewanmac

Isn't it funny that the performance versions don't get front fogs (m140 is the same) but lesser spec'd ones do. Doesn't seem that long ago that performance versions did and lesser spec'd didn't. Think of every hot hatch in the 90s for example. Even the fiesta rs turbo had 4 bloody fogs at the front to show it was quicker than the xr2i!

This is true & spookily I was just reading up on those & the RS1800 Fiesta's

[Seaford]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

You have fog lights, we have 6 cylinders

I can live with that trade off, we may never need the fog lights, you will never have the extra 2 cylinders

You will never needthe extra two cylinders, but you will never have the fog lights.

[danorman777]

There is no substitute for cubic inches!!! Especially fog lights!

[Mattyk]

Originally Posted by Andybird

You will never needthe extra two cylinders, but you will never have the fog lights.

So how many times have you actually needed them?

I would say i have averaged 25k pa for the last 25 years, as far north as Glasgow, south Brighton / Cornwall, all climates and would give odds there are less than 5 times it was foggy enough to use the front fog lights, when on they were no better than dipped beams

In my experience, there a waste of time.

BMW clearly agree as the M / M lite don’t have the,

Do I need a 6 cylinder car? Not really, but there’s far more enjoyment from it than a set of fog lights so I’m happy in my choice

I’m sure your happy with your fog lights and 4 cylinders.

[Andy-1878]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

You have fog lights, we have 6 cylinders

I can live with that trade off, we may never need the fog lights, you will never have the extra 2 cylinders

I have fog lights and 6 cylinders

[Alanli722]

Originally Posted by del82

All the proper M cars don't have front fogs as well. The new M3 won't have them.

Never noticed that before, learn something new everyday.

[Mattyk]

Originally Posted by Andy-1878

I have fog lights and 6 cylinders

True

Coming from two diesels, the difference in acceleration is strange / weird / crazy

The diesels were so smooth and linear you could pull to ban speeds without even thinking about it, still relatively low revs, and very orderly

The petrol will do the same, but press a touch harder and oh my days, noise, drama, push into seat and relentless when the diesel starts to flag around 80, all under 4500 revs.

If my mileage hadn’t dropped I would still have the GC, but given my commute is now 1m it’s rude not to have a 6cy petrol

[Karl V]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

If my mileage hadn’t dropped I would still have the GC, but given my commute is now 1m it’s rude not to have a 6cy petrol

Yes, this!

I've had three 3 Litre 6 cylinder diesel BMWs over the years, all of them with front fog lights (a 5 series and 2 x X3s).

Since my daily commute has dropped to 0, it's petrol pops and bangs all the way to Sainsbury's from now on. Until internal combustion engines are banned and all cars are just a battery and 53 front facing fog lights of course.

[mofomat]

Originally Posted by danorman777

And you cannot order the extra cooling pack if you order a touring! And still no foglights!

What's this "extra cooling pack" you talk of?

[mofomat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

You have fog lights, we have 6 cylinders

I can live with that trade off, we may never need the fog lights, you will never have the extra 2 cylinders

Personally I would spec an M340i with the detuned B48 4-cylinder engine from the new 318i if I could. You're never going to need all that power. And a 6-cylinder engine weighs more than the 4-cyl, and you need bigger brakes, stronger transmission etc, which all adds weight. Yes please, an M340i with the detuned B48 is what I'd be hoping BMW launch at some point.

[Karl V]

Originally Posted by mofomat

What's this "extra cooling pack" you talk of?

It appears to be the 'M Technology package' (in the UK at least).

Looks like it's an additional radiator and potentially larger brake discs.

Not sure how that affects the front fog lights though...

[Osxboy]

I had a 330e on demo which had the M-Sport Plus pack and that had the upgraded brakes but also had fog lights. I suspect the M340i has the extra radiator and to cool it has extra cooling vents meaning no fog lights.

[del82]

Originally Posted by Osxboy

I had a 330e on demo which had the M-Sport Plus pack and that had the upgraded brakes but also had fog lights. I suspect the M340i has the extra radiator and to cool it has extra cooling vents meaning no fog lights.

Yeah the stock M340i needs the extra cooling I believe.

Not sure if it also helps cooling the brakes.

But the M Sport plus package isn't the upgraded brakes talked about here.

It's a separate package called M technology package and in the UK have bigger callipers 374mm vs standard 348mm and an extra oil cooling radiator under the front bumper. For £300 a bit of a deal.

I have it on my car and the brakes are noticeably bigger than the stand M performance brakes.

[mofomat]

Originally Posted by Karl V

It appears to be the 'M Technology package' (in the UK at least).

Looks like it's an additional radiator and potentially larger brake discs.

Not sure how that affects the front fog lights though...

Thanks, I never knew that was an option.

[mofomat]

Originally Posted by mofomat

Personally I would spec an M340i with the detuned B48 4-cylinder engine from the new 318i if I could. You're never going to need all that power. And a 6-cylinder engine weighs more than the 4-cyl, and you need bigger brakes, stronger transmission etc, which all adds weight. Yes please, an M340i with the detuned B48 is what I'd be hoping BMW launch at some point.

This was a joke, by the way.

[Seaford]

We had a very heavy sea mist this morning.

So happy I have the 330 instead of a 340 today.

[Karl V]

Originally Posted by Andybird

We had a very heavy sea mist this morning.

So happy I have the 330 instead of a 340 today.

Only just now I went out to the garage to count my cylinders. All 6 of them - sitting there doing nowt :-(

[Mattyk]

Originally Posted by Andybird

We had a very heavy sea mist this morning.

So happy I have the 330 instead of a 340 today.

Lol.

Thought I had better google them, incase we’ve missed a trick

Seems there made redundant by led running lights:

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-ne...en-to-use-them

Explains why Bmw don’t worry about not having then on some cars, just a placebo...

[danorman777]

Originally Posted by del82

Yeah the stock M340i needs the extra cooling I believe.

Not sure if it also helps cooling the brakes.

But the M Sport plus package isn't the upgraded brakes talked about here.

It's a separate package called M technology package and in the UK have bigger callipers 374mm vs standard 348mm and an extra oil cooling radiator under the front bumper. For £300 a bit of a deal.

I have it on my car and the brakes are noticeably bigger than the stand M performance brakes.

It definitely is a good deal and I added it to my G21 M340i. It caused some confusion and the dealer had to check with BMW. You cannot have it on the Touring only the Saloon for some reason. Damn!!

[rjwojcik]

Originally Posted by danorman777

It definitely is a good deal and I added it to my G21 M340i. It caused some confusion and the dealer had to check with BMW. You cannot have it on the Touring only the Saloon for some reason. Damn!!

Agreed, doesn't make sense why you can't have it on the G21