[hayko_M340]

Originally Posted by TiMSport

And let's be crystal clear about one thing, this has absolutely NOTHING to do with the performance of the vehicle. Personally I couldn't give 2 shits about popping or burbling from my exhaust. If I wanted that I'd have gotten a modded Civic. Let's say it's more stealth if need be.

I agree that it has gotten blown way out of proportion. PERFORMANCE is what matters to me. As far as I'm concerned this '21 M340i is a beast.

21' M340 is heavier from the Mild Hybrid system, and also slower. I've raced a few and the 20 M340i always pulls top end. May give you a little electric boost at the start but that's about it. Huge downgrade from a 20'. Could not have been happier with my 20'.

[TiMSport]

Originally Posted by hayko_M340

21' M340 is heavier from the Mild Hybrid system, and also slower. I've raced a few and the 20 M340i always pulls top end. May give you a little electric boost at the start but that's about it. Huge downgrade from a 20'. Could not have been happier with my 20'.

Why hasn't this been documented anywhere?
Wouldn't the added 11hp of the electric motor compensate for the weight of the '21? I mean I have seen absolutely nothing documented anywhere about this. What kind of conditions did you "race" the 21 models? I mean that doesn't prove anything. Finally for you to say a "huge downgrade" w/o any evidence to support that is questionable at best.

[madpistol]

Originally Posted by hayko_M340

21' M340 is heavier from the Mild Hybrid system, and also slower. I've raced a few and the 20 M340i always pulls top end. May give you a little electric boost at the start but that's about it. Huge downgrade from a 20'. Could not have been happier with my 20'.

Specs are literally identical. You're probably looking at a 50-100 lb weight difference. There's no doubt that a RWD vs AWD will give you different results at the extreme top end... but where are you going to be able to push this car to 130+ MPH?

I'm calling BS on your claim.

[RTPenland]

Originally Posted by hayko_M340

21' M340 is heavier from the Mild Hybrid system, and also slower. I've raced a few and the 20 M340i always pulls top end. May give you a little electric boost at the start but that's about it. Huge downgrade from a 20'. Could not have been happier with my 20'.

This

[TiMSport]

Originally Posted by RTPenland

This

Grow up. What are you, 10 years old? Show some PROOF or it's bullshit.

Furthermore, if it WERE even true, so what? You repeatedly come into this forum and attempt to brag about having an older car and saying it's superior to the newer one. Pretty douche-like honestly. This place isn't about bagging on each other and supposedly having a better car than the other, and yet, that is exactly what you've been doing. Congratulations for being a douche.

Forums like this are to help people, but that apparently was lost on you.

[RTPenland]

Originally Posted by TiMSport

Grow up. What are you, 10 years old? Show some PROOF or it's bullshit.

Furthermore, if it WERE even true, so what? You repeatedly come into this forum and attempt to brag about having an older car and saying it's superior to the newer one. Pretty douche-like honestly. This place isn't about bagging on each other and supposedly having a better car than the other, and yet, that is exactly what you've been doing. Congratulations for being a douche.

Forums like this are to help people, but that apparently was lost on you.

Uh oh name calling - shame shame. Might want to change your signature

[Moonbags]

🙄

Oh man who cares about a few lbs of weight or a difference in crackles. If you want a track car get an M3.

I just finally put my 2021 through the paces on my favorite back roads and it was sublime. And if you have a 2020, that's cool too!

Bloody children.

[TruthOne]

Originally Posted by hayko_M340

21' M340 is heavier from the Mild Hybrid system, and also slower. I've raced a few and the 20 M340i always pulls top end. May give you a little electric boost at the start but that's about it. Huge downgrade from a 20'. Could not have been happier with my 20'.

LOL BS

[Cortexiphan]

Originally Posted by hayko_M340

21' M340 is heavier from the Mild Hybrid system, and also slower. I've raced a few and the 20 M340i always pulls top end. May give you a little electric boost at the start but that's about it. Huge downgrade from a 20'. Could not have been happier with my 20'.

How old are you?

[sikotic]

Originally Posted by PrinceM340

Can someone help with the differences?
I know 2021 has carplay as a standard feature

2021 is much quieter (2020 sounds way better)
2021 also has an 48v electric motor?

Why is 2021's 0-60 time slower than the 2020's?

Are there any differences you guys know of? Do we have new numbers/specs for the 2021?

This thread went 0-100 real quick lol. No matter which year you get, you will have an amazing vehicle. Whether you prefer the 20 or 21' model is up to you. The only evidence we have of models being faster/slower is the between the 3 and 4 series. BMW has the M340I xDrive listed at 4.1 0-60 and the M440I xDrive listed at 4.3 for whatever reason. Drive the cars and enjoy them in good health.

[TiMSport]

Still waiting for any form of evidence of what a couple of '20 fanboys keep spewing, especially the guy claiming to have raced a few '21s. Sketchy anecdotal stories mean nothing. Bring proof of what you claim or STFU.

Hey I've run a 6 minute lap on the Nurburgring in my car but too bad I don't have any proof of it. But you gotta believe me though because I say so.

[m240nj]

Originally Posted by hayko_M340

21' M340 is heavier from the Mild Hybrid system, and also slower. I've raced a few and the 20 M340i always pulls top end. May give you a little electric boost at the start but that's about it. Huge downgrade from a 20'. Could not have been happier with my 20'.

Lol. This is one of the dumbest, most baseless things I've seen posted. I'm willing to bet a 20 vs 21 is going to be so close that it comes down to driver weight and tire tread.

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by m240nj

Lol. This is one of the dumbest, most baseless things I've seen posted. I'm willing to bet a 20 vs 21 is going to be so close that it comes down to driver weight and tire tread.

Exactly. Neither the weight difference or the 48v MH is going to make a difference.

[finn1969]

Originally Posted by TiMSport

Lol yeah right. Mine came with tacos al pastor along with some Modelo Negra and a hot señorita.

Hey those Senorita's are pretty dam nice...usually don't smoke and no underarm hair...where so I sign up!!

[RTPenland]

Listen I think this is a silly conversation 20 vs 21 but that is the topic at hand so be it. Both years are top notch but given the choice between the two (which isn't an option for most) the 20 is the clear winner.

Like the new M3 the 2020 is not built in Mexico (despite what someone posted here that it was), has no mild hybrid system and does not impose start stop on you. Subjectively one could argue about exhaust tone and performance but there is enough objective reasoning to go with the 20 so why bother.

[TiMSport]

Originally Posted by RTPenland

Listen I think this is a silly conversation 20 vs 21 but that is the topic at hand so be it. Both years are top notch but given the choice between the two (which isn't an option for most) the 20 is the clear winner.

Like the new M3 the 2020 is not built in Mexico (despite what someone posted here that it was), has no mild hybrid system and does not impose start stop on you. Subjectively one could argue about exhaust tone and performance but there is enough objective reasoning to go with the 20 so why bother.

You have made it into a silly conversation with your childish crap. BTW, are you referring to me about the G80 being built in Mexico? If so, pull your head out and look up the word "sarcasm".

I was specifically targeting "performance" metrics between the two model years and there has been nothing to substantiate the statements being made by some about the 2020 M340i being quicker. I don't care about the internal HD and the start/stop button or even the exhaust, but what I do care about are people that drop a statement about how the 2021 models are a "major downgrade" performance-wise. I will say this once again, bring evidence or shut the hell up.

A car being built at the factory in Germany versus Mexico does not equate to an imbalance regarding performance. You seem to like making note of the discrepancy on where these cars are manufactured, though YOU actually didn't know about where M cars are built though you've supposedly owned quite a few BMW vehicles. This kind of stuff is simply common knowledge.

[RTPenland]

Originally Posted by TiMSport

I don't care about the internal HD

Interesting, is there a difference between the 20 and 21? Do you know?

ps- I am glad I was able to help you understand that the M340 is not built in Tijuana, I didn't realize that was you that thought that

[TiMSport]

Originally Posted by RTPenland

Interesting, is there a difference between the 20 and 21? Do you know?

ps- I am glad I was able to help you understand that the M340 is not built in Tijuana, I didn't realize that was you that thought that

I don't know, you tell me. :
THIS response (above) from you is a perfect example of what I was talking about. You know damn well I knew the answer to your question about the G80 and yet here you are trying to turn it around on me? Yes, childish.

Having said that, I'd still like to know why you think the 2020 is the "hands down" better choice. Still waiting for your answer (I've asked a few times) about why the German built models are better than the Mexico built ones. I think I know the answer but like to hear you say it.

Originally Posted by RTPenland

Yeah typically I would (based on several experiences) suggest avoiding a first year BMW but in this case No. 2020 Hands down is the better choice, build location, tunability, internal hardrive, stop/stop button, lack of unproven starter motor boost, exhaust tone etc....

[RTPenland]

Originally Posted by TiMSport

I don't know, you tell me. :
THIS response (above) from you is a perfect example of what I was talking about. You know damn well I knew the answer to your question about the G80 and yet here you are trying to turn it around on me? Yes, childish.

Having said that, I'd still like to know why you think the 2020 is the "hands down" better choice. Still waiting for your answer (I've asked a few times) about why the German built models are better than the Mexico built ones. I think I know the answer but like to hear you say it.

The key to confidence and success in life is to simply not give a f***

I'm done here | change your signature

[TiMSport]

Originally Posted by RTPenland

The key to confidence and success in life is to simply not give a f***

I'm done here | change your signature

Moron. For the record, I stated clearly I do care about when bullshit is being posted. Not a single time have you come back with a legit response, period. Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

[Banana Clipper]

[RTPenland]

Originally Posted by TiMSport

Moron. For the record, I stated clearly I do care about when bullshit is being posted. Not a single time have you come back with a legit response, period. Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

okay so that wasn't nice but okay might want to take a moment to consider why you get triggered by a stranger on line

I live up to your signature, you do not