[bavarianride]

Originally Posted by KTN

That's mighty objective of you. I'll let BMW know to give you one of their new M4 DTM cars for 40k then, being a 2.0 4-cylinder turbo.

G20 B48 with 258HP and 295lb-ft with 0-60@5.5sec is no slow poke, esp. if it can go down to $37k-ish.

It is too bad G20 320i is not available in US. The F30 320i base is a great car, @$28k 0-60 6.8 seconds that car is more head light than 328i(with moonroof), it is great fun around cloverleaf and corners, plus technical enough(for the right driver) to keep up with other sub-6 on the road. The F30 328i technically is a $1500-$2000 factory tune for 50HP/50lb-ft extra, at times the incentives shrank the price difference to $500. Both those 2 I4 turbo offerings are great choices.

[KTN]

Originally Posted by ThatKrazyPolak

The issue is that for a car that costs 56,000 USD, you would think that it would have a bit more from a performance perspective. Its about bang for your buck. I'm not an investment banker, and I'm sure 95% of the people who posted in this thread fall in the same category. We, for the most part, are enthusiasts, and we are expressing our opinions from an enthusiasts perspective.

You're complaining about the high price of a 4-cylinder, but the base price is the same it's been for the previous generation for years. BMW (and other brands for that matter) isn't asking 56k for a 4-cylinder model. They're asking the price above the base price for the options that you're not forced to take if you don't want to. An adaptive suspension won't cost less to deploy just because you have 2 cylinders less under the hood. The price hike on the base-price you're on about just isn't there.

And BTW, those "useless gimmicks" are in fact, still useless gimmicks. A lot of the tech here is generation 1 technology still in its beta phase. What car manufacturer has so far perfectly integrated gesture control? Zero, that's how many. A "refresh mode" that lights up my car like I'm at a Depeche Mode concert? Really? These things will be refined but don't justify the price tag based on things like this.

Who talked here about "gesture control"? I believe HUD was mentioned which is anything but useless especially for keeping your eyes on the road for spirited driving. We can also mention the stiffer chassis, the M Sport brakes now included in the M Sport package, the better suspension, the factory option limited slip differential, etc. All newly available things pushing the price higher compared to last gen.

But I guess you're now also saying a more modern CLAR platform base, stiffer chassis, refined steering and suspension, M sport differential available from factory are also gimmicks without any effect on the car's dynamics. Interesting opinion, but alright.

And also thank you for posting your experience with the car.

[Transfer]

The 2018 and 2019 330i have the exact same starting price. Just don't add options if you don't want to pay $50k. I do see a little bit of the point complaining about 4 cyl with my view being if we have to have a turbo 4, at least tune it to 280 hp or something. Plenty of smaller cars with high output turbo 4s are doing this. But the general market doesn't care about HP so the power train has to be just good enough.

[bavarianride]

Is there a link to a G20 330i moroney label in post#1 with EPA info? Online(non BMW) data sheet looks impressive:

City 30.5 mpg US OR 7.7 L/100Km
Highway 45.2 mpg US OR 5.2 L/100Km
Combined 38.6 mpg US OR 6.1 L/100Km
15.8 gallon fuel tank
curb weight 3234lb(wow!)

That looks like 600-mile highway range, yes/no? Those are impressive fuel efficiency numbers.

G20 3-series exterior styling has traces of E39 5-series, which is probably the best looking bimmer of all time.

[bavarianride]

Originally Posted by KTN

BMW (and other brands for that matter) isn't asking 56k for a 4-cylinder model.

BMWNA is asking $41.5k for a base G20 330i RWD with B48 I4 turbo that includes lots of ala carte options from other markets, e.g. moonroof, LED headlight, power seats, ZF 8AT, etc, etc. I am eagerly waiting to see what kinds of incentives BMWNA/BMWFS will throw out.

It is a decent set of basic stuff for my needs, maybe the only extra to add for me is leather, but I will wait till seat time to see/feel what G20 leatherette is like.

[openwheelracing]

Originally Posted by Transfer

The 2018 and 2019 330i have the exact same starting price. Just don't add options if you don't want to pay $50k. I do see a little bit of the point complaining about 4 cyl with my view being if we have to have a turbo 4, at least tune it to 280 hp or something. Plenty of smaller cars with high output turbo 4s are doing this. But the general market doesn't care about HP so the power train has to be just good enough.

Problem is, that's impossible with the price gouging packaging BMWUSA has dictated. There are no decent 40k 4 cylinder 3 series. Years ago the options are actually common sense, these days it's about how much add-on crap they can sell you because enough people fall for all the "tech".

[openwheelracing]

Originally Posted by bavarianride

Is there a link to a G20 330i moroney label in post#1 with EPA info? Online(non BMW) data sheet looks impressive:

City 30.5 mpg US OR 7.7 L/100Km
Highway 45.2 mpg US OR 5.2 L/100Km
Combined 38.6 mpg US OR 6.1 L/100Km
15.8 gallon fuel tank
curb weight 3234lb(wow!)

That looks like 600-mile highway range, yes/no? Those are impressive fuel efficiency numbers.

G20 3-series exterior styling has traces of E39 5-series, which is probably the best looking bimmer of all time.

Is this an attempt of a joke? I am serious, but afraid it's not...

[bavarianride]

Originally Posted by openwheelracing

Is this an attempt of a joke? I am serious, but afraid it's not...

This is one set of data:

https://www.auto-data.net/en/bmw-3er...eptronic-34421

The EPA numbers for 2019 330i (RWD) is 30/26/36 combined/city/hwy.

https://fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/...3_Series.shtml

bmwusa.com spec sheet says 15.6 gallon capacity or 561-mile range.

In comparison, a 250-mile EPA highway range Model 3 MR looks dismal ....

[bavarianride]

Originally Posted by openwheelracing

Problem is, that's impossible with the price gouging packaging BMWUSA has dictated. There are no decent 40k 4 cylinder 3 series.

What is your definition of decent 40k I4 3-series config?

[praxis218]

Originally Posted by bavarianride

What is your definition of decent 40k I4 3-series config?

If BMW listened to these people.

[bavarianride]

Originally Posted by praxis218

If BMW listened to these people.

Hey manual window, my favorite!

[praxis218]

Originally Posted by bavarianride

Hey manual window, my favorite!

2020 BMW G20 M330i: Cloth seats, manual windows, MSRP $8,000.

"But why is it $8,000? I only need the driver's side window to roll down. Uselesss addons."

[MT4life]

Well, let's talk about useless gimmicks.

My car came with blind spot, park distance, and other crap including NAV, head up display. All of the sudden we can't park or back out our own cars?

Google maps is 10x better than BMW Nav, still doesn't have Android audio. I can see for myself when I change lanes I don't need blind spot monitoring. Heads-up display, how lazy am I incant look 2 inches down I need a heads up display?

Stuff like that I'd swap for a 6 cylinder vs fully loaded 4 cylinder.

[xlover]

Originally Posted by bavarianride

Hey manual window, my favorite!

Even manual windows are another "crap" feature. Should just open come open without glass, only a poser wants to hear the radio when they could be listening to the motor

Heat and AC... crap
Antilock brakes.... crap
Seatbelts.... crap

Not sure why they even bother with paint every purist knows that anytime you spend looking at your car is time you could have been driving it!!

[praxis218]

Originally Posted by xlover

Not sure why they even bother with paint every purist knows that anytime you spend looking at your car is time you could have been driving it!!

Paint does add weight and reduce mpg. They should spray some sealant on the sheet metal and call it a day. Free silver option

[openwheelracing]

Must have that gesture controlled Android Auto subscription, head up display on top of 12.3" fake analogue display, neon lighting package with club mode, tempered glass moon roof with sudden shatter feature, satellite radio, already outdated map, comfort access with XXL fob, auto park feature that can't properly find a spot, power lift trunk on a sport sedan, "premium" sound as if Harmon is premium, wifi hot spot because I am a walking tech guru can't figure out how to enable my phone's hot spot, and my favorite: 600 miles range for each tank of premium gas.

But hey, that premium 4 banger is premium of all 4 bangers in BMW lineup.

[MT4life]

What do I need a heated steering wheel and heated rear seats for in the south? Lol

[MT4life]

Originally Posted by openwheelracing

Must have that gesture controlled Android Auto subscription, head up display on top of 12.3" fake analogue display, neon lighting package with club mode, tempered glass moon roof with sudden shatter feature, satellite radio, already outdated map, comfort access with XXL fob, auto park feature that can't properly find a spot, power lift trunk on a sport sedan, "premium" sound as if Harmon is premium, wifi hot spot because I am a walking tech guru can't figure out how to enable my phone's hot spot, and my favorite: 600 miles range for each tank of premium gas.

But hey, that premium 4 banger is premium of all 4 bangers in BMW lineup.

Yes I love standing behind the trunk and waving my foot under the bumper to open, which works half the time

But all of that is worth it when I have a 6 speed manual 6 cylinder with MPPSK that screams at me.

[praxis218]

Originally Posted by MT4life

Yes I love standing behind the trunk and waving my foot under the bumper to open, which works half the time

Works for me 100% of the time. Don't wave your foot, pretend like you're gently kicking the center line where your license plate is with the only the tip of your foot.

[praxis218]

Originally Posted by openwheelracing

Must have that gesture controlled Android Auto subscription, head up display on top of 12.3" fake analogue display, neon lighting package with club mode, tempered glass moon roof with sudden shatter feature, satellite radio, already outdated map, comfort access with XXL fob, auto park feature that can't properly find a spot, power lift trunk on a sport sedan, "premium" sound as if Harmon is premium, wifi hot spot because I am a walking tech guru can't figure out how to enable my phone's hot spot, and my favorite: 600 miles range for each tank of premium gas.

But hey, that premium 4 banger is premium of all 4 bangers in BMW lineup.

All of that sounds wonderful. You would hate my smart home.

Also what's that magical 600mi range? I get around 13.5mpg and ~200mi per tank.

[openwheelracing]

Originally Posted by praxis218

All of that sounds wonderful. You would hate my smart home.

Also what's that magical 600mi range? I get around 13.5mpg and ~200mi per tank.

Nice Blackberry you got there

[praxis218]

Originally Posted by openwheelracing

Nice Blackberry you got there

That's actually a really good example of a company refusing to adapt and fading into irrelevancy. Footsteps I'm glad BMW is not following.