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All BMWs are overpriced for a "car", regardless of the number of cylinders. We just want them enough to overspend, which is their business model.
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Pocket change on those leases. However, the good lease rates are over. Absolutely, the stiffer chassis, 50/50, steering, braking....Yes. I'll pay extra for additional rear airbags. HUD, kick to open truck or fake analogue gauges are worthless to me.
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02-13-2019, 06:30 PM | #93 |
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Our 2015 328 xDrive with just basic must have options - M Sport, xenons, CWP, Tech and PDC had MSRP of $53,400.
2019 330 xDrive with the same MSRP would give me all that plus 19 inch wheels, alarm, power trunk and a spare wheel. Base MSRP $42,250 M Sport Design $5,000 Color Alpine White Wheels 19" style 791M w/performance rft Black Vernasca Leather w/blue contrast stitching/piping $1,700 Premium Package $2,800 Power tailgate $250 Active Blind Spot Detection Park Distance Control $200 Space-saver spare $150 Ambient Lighting Destination + Handling $995 TOTAL MSRP as Built $53,345 2019 4 banger 3 series is actually cheaper to buy than 2015 was. |
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02-13-2019, 10:33 PM | #96 |
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Yes, the price one pays is a very different story from MSRP.
We leased both our F30s. - 2015 328i xDrive with MSRP of $53K had a sale price of $47K and we leased it for $466 with all fees and taxes included in the monthly payment. - 2018 340i xDrive with MSRP of $58,785 has a sale price of $51K, if I am not mistaken. We leased it for $499 per month. My main point was - there is essentially no price increase for G20, not for a 4 banger at least. M340 could be a different story. Still we going to get options that were not readily available on F30 340, like LSD. I expect M340 xDrive with all the basic stuff I need to be around $61K-$62K which seems reasonable for a new model with a more powerful engine and additional options. I agree 100% that 6 cyl cars are only about $50-60 (with gas and insurance taken into account) per month more than 4 cyl cars and it makes good sense to go for I6. On the other hand, I am currently driving a very heavy 535i xDrive and 295lb-ft of torque moves the car pretty well. The updated B48 has the same torque that the old N55 had and should be plenty for a lighter G20. Too much power sometimes takes the fun of driving a car away. I am sure you feel it when driving your 340. Accelerate hard and you doing 100-120mph in no time. To risky and unsafe. Sometimes less power is better. |
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0-60 in around 5s High level of material quality, fit and finish Higher quality leather Great to drive Classy Image Top of the line technology Great efficiency That list is more than enough value for a lot of people. How can I prove that? Well Mercedes and Audi do the same thing. There are less expensive brands/cars that that are great like a camaro for outright performance, or a stinger/G70/Infiniti for a car that isn't as nice but offers more performance
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02-14-2019, 11:35 AM | #100 |
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Nicely done, thank you. If this clear statement of personal choice was what we had pages ago, instead of perhaps just ineffective writing suggesting objective "better/worse/right/wrong" decisions and mind-reading other's motivations, so much angst could have been avoided. We all can respect each other's favorite "flavor" and well-labeled personal opinions, and never jump, call names, or care about what goes on when not online (not that there's anything wrong with that!)
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My leaning usually is to skip infotainment tech, and go for improved lighting, great engine tech + AT combo. |
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You sound like you don't understand that it's easy to get 4-5k off selling price before any incentives are added like bmwcca, corporate fleet discount etc. You just have to have some savvy and do research.
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Ala carte options are not available in US, but at the same time, BMW also phases out ala carte in Euro markets.
G20 330i spec already includes moonroof + improved headlight, so it is good for my liking(and I can choose leather too). There probably will be complaints that people cannot equip how they like, e.g. moonroof-less(need custom-delete). |
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Yeah i agree re smoothness but reckon the 6's acoustics make it feel smoother as opposed to it actually being so. the 4cyl was a just as elastic engine, you really cant discount that though
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