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      12-09-2017, 11:02 PM   #133
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soooo the next M3 will sound like crap too?
Not this time batman
this jokers based on the B58
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      12-10-2017, 01:55 AM   #134
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Not this time batman
this jokers based on the B58
its going to sound awesome
The B58 sounds pretty similar to the N55, Ive owned both, and the S55 was based on the N55 and still ended up sounding like it does so Im not sure what your logic is here.

The sound of a turbocharged motor is largely created by its cylinder firing order, the design of its exhaust manifold and turbo configuration, and the design and layout of the exhaust system. The S55 was drastically different than N55 in these areas (among many others) and makes a very different sound. S55 also cuts torque during upshifts while trying to keep the turbos spinning and this causes its famous farting sounds on upshifts. I would bet S58 will end up similar in these areas to S55. Im not happy about it, I LOVE the way my B58 sounds but would take the power and power delivery of the S55 over my B58s great sound every day of the week.
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      12-10-2017, 02:16 AM   #135
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The reason why G30 is so boring/Close to F10, is likely to be the same reason why BMW are «lazy» with other stuff, rehashing engines and design. My take on this is the switch to EV and the amount of $$$ that every manufactor are spending to reach Tesla levels. The ice is done, diesel are not beeing developed further. The petrol ice is looking to be Close to it's end as well, why put alot of resources into it? Flamesuit on 😇
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      12-10-2017, 03:20 AM   #136
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Not this time batman
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It all depends if the S58 goes twin turbo...
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      12-10-2017, 05:55 AM   #137
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Can't wait to see 17 year olds zipping around in AW G30 M3s woohoo...nothing special about M3s anymore. Every rich kid has one.
The ones that end up in trees or wrapped around a lamppost or telephone pole?
In which the parents are equally responsible.

Was the M3 that spun off at the Ring the other week and had a run-in with the barrier anybody here's new ED?
How does that work? Insurance wise?
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What is this feature we may not like???
If they stick to the formula of using the 4er front end on the M3?
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      12-10-2017, 07:11 AM   #139
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The E9X M3 actually started production in 2007, so both the E9X and F8X ///M will have had the same lifespan
Er, not quite. Technically you’re right that the E9x M3 production started in 2007, but it was very late. I can’t find a month, but my recollection is December. It may have been November. F8x on the other hand started in February 2014. So that means it will have about ten months longer for its run since the EOP months are going to be same as they were for the E9x. That’s close enough to round up to a year.

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It all depends if the S58 goes twin turbo...
I’d be pretty shocked if they don’t. Now, if they were go the route Mercedes did with their new 3L M256 I6 and use a single exhaust powered turbo with an “electric turbo” then I suspect it would sound more like a single turbo engine. However, I don’t necessarily think they are there yet. On the other hand, it would be a great way to combat turbo lag. Mercedes is reportedly debuting the AMG version of this engine in Detroit next month, and rumor has it that it will hit 500hp. So they will be matching the S55’s highest power output without water injection. Plus, the engine is very compact for an I6 (no belts). I’m sure BMW will eventually build something like it, but perhaps not yet.
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Is that a muffler or ballast to keep the rear tires from breaking loose based on the F80’s inability to efficiently put the power to the pavement?

The prototype’s muffler is comical.
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Is that a muffler or ballast to keep the rear tires from breaking loose based on the F80s inability to efficiently put the power to the pavement?

The prototypes muffler is comical.
The grapevine suggests they used an Alfa Romeo muffler for that hack job. It is Ferrari engineered after all...
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The reason why G30 is so boring/Close to F10, is likely to be the same reason why BMW are «lazy» with other stuff, rehashing engines and design. My take on this is the switch to EV and the amount of $$$ that every manufactor are spending to reach Tesla levels. The ice is done, diesel are not beeing developed further. The petrol ice is looking to be Close to it's end as well, why put alot of resources into it? Flamesuit on 😇


Thank you chicken little !

You can take whatever suit you are wearing off for awhile Because BMW will be selling internal combustion engines for another couple of decades, Even with a deadline of 2040 in Europe.

The US will be slower to transition and will have to be dragged forward into any change. People complain about stop start here.

The US couldn't transition to obviously better quality HDTV without delay, the government mandated date kept getting pushed back !
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      12-10-2017, 09:26 AM   #143
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The reason why G30 is so boring/Close to F10, is likely to be the same reason why BMW are «lazy» with other stuff, rehashing engines and design. My take on this is the switch to EV and the amount of $$$ that every manufactor are spending to reach Tesla levels. The ice is done, diesel are not beeing developed further. The petrol ice is looking to be Close to it's end as well, why put alot of resources into it? Flamesuit on 😇
100% this.

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G20 3er

These all feel like re skins to me with the same, or minor tweaked ICE. I owned both the last 2 generations of X5 and it's the same car but with a quality refresh etc.

Slow days the new car releases currently Where is the greater proliferation and fanfare of Carbon Core? Has it even been mentioned since the 7er? I was, and still am, genuinely excited but the benefits of weight loss but we hear nothing of this really. Maybe it's still too soon these generations.
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If they stick to the formula of using the 4er front end on the M3?
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Sounds like you're suggesting the front ends for the next generation M3 and M4 will be different ?
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Er, not quite. Technically you’re right that the E9x M3 production started in 2007, but it was very late. I can’t find a month, but my recollection is December. It may have been November. F8x on the other hand started in February 2014. So that means it will have about ten months longer for its run since the EOP months are going to be same as they were for the E9x. That’s close enough to round up to a year.
As far as I know, SOP for the E92 M3 was May-2007. IIRC, Nov-2007 was SOP for the E90 M3 and North-American spec M3s.
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As far as I know, SOP for the E92 M3 was May-2007. IIRC, Nov-2007 was SOP for the E90 M3 and North-American spec M3s.
I’d have to dig up some old threads. At any rate, in North America, the initial model year run was markedly longer for F8x than the E9x (especially the E90). Another way to put it would be that Noth American availability came much closer to initial availability worldwide.
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It's going to have the same engine as the X3M, what's there to get hyped about??? Until they bring back bespoke engines and/or literally anything "special" at all, then PASS!
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The reason why G30 is so boring/Close to F10, is likely to be the same reason why BMW are «lazy» with other stuff, rehashing engines and design. My take on this is the switch to EV and the amount of $$$ that every manufactor are spending to reach Tesla levels. The ice is done, diesel are not beeing developed further. The petrol ice is looking to be Close to it's end as well, why put alot of resources into it? Flamesuit on 😇


Thank you chicken little !

You can take whatever suit you are wearing off for awhile Because BMW will be selling internal combustion engines for another couple of decades, Even with a deadline of 2040 in Europe.

The US will be slower to transition and will have to be dragged forward into any change. People complain about stop start here.

The US couldn't transition to obviously better quality HDTV without delay, the government mandated date kept getting pushed back !
But that's the thing. US is not the priority it once was. Norway (where i live) have said no ice from 2025. GB and France are saying 2040, India 2030. China is along these dates as well. And Paris, London, Stuttgart and Mnchen are stating 2030 as a deadline for the ice. That's only a decade away. What Brand will invest alot in ice when these dates Keep getting closer. Besides, What US really want isn't really what drives the industry these days.
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If they stick to the formula of using the 4er front end on the M3?
Then...
Sounds like you're suggesting the front ends for the next generation M3 and M4 will be different ?
Well that was almost hinted at when the rumor was to call coupes the 4 series and M4 some 4 or 5 years ago. It sounded like they plan to separate out these cars over time. The name was first. Maybe front ends will be next. Then who knows how far they split the 3/4 apart
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It's going to have the same engine as the X3M, what's there to get hyped about??? Until they bring back bespoke engines and/or literally anything "special" at all, then PASS!
Agreed. Not much, to be honest.
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But that's the thing. US is not the priority it once was. Norway (where i live) have said no ice from 2025. GB and France are saying 2040, India 2030. China is along these dates as well. And Paris, London, Stuttgart and Mnchen are stating 2030 as a deadline for the ice. That's only a decade away. What Brand will invest alot in ice when these dates Keep getting closer. Besides, What US really want isn't really what drives the industry these days.
Im not so sure - theres no network here for the recharging of electric cars. And the country is HUGE. People are accustomed to being able to drive wherever they want, whenever they want. The current tech around electric doesnt allow for that. I, for one, have no interest in an electric car...and that perception and reality is going to have to change on a macro level if the manufacturers want the US to pay attention.

Additionally, the vast network of gas stations has also taken a very long time to get built up - until theres an alternative fuel choice that allows for the same sort of freedom of movement, you arent going to see widespread adoption here. We dont have the public transportation options you see in Europe, and no one I know is riding a bicycle to work in Dallas.

PS - to put it in perspective, the US is roughly the same population as most of Europe put together. So when Norway says no ICE by whenever, its roughly the same thing as Minnesota or Indiana saying the same thing. Thats not a criticism, just an attempt at perspective.

I would also maintain that there are more Americans than Indians or Chinese folks who can afford a car...so while the symbolic gesture of some of these countries is very encouraging to the environmental cause, its not as impactful as if the US would take a similar position. And I really do think many in the US would be interested in more environmentally friendly approaches...just not at the expense of the freedom of movement to which weve become accustomed.

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Well that was almost hinted at when the rumor was to call coupes the 4 series and M4 some 4 or 5 years ago. It sounded like they plan to separate out these cars over time. The name was first. Maybe front ends will be next. Then who knows how far they split the 3/4 apart
Ask anyone who has seen the next generation G22 4er with its CSL Hommage style tall kidney grille.
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Well that was almost hinted at when the rumor was to call coupes the 4 series and M4 some 4 or 5 years ago. It sounded like they plan to separate out these cars over time. The name was first. Maybe front ends will be next. Then who knows how far they split the 3/4 apart
Ask anyone who has seen the next generation G22 4er with its CSL Hommage style tall kidney grille.
Scott,

You feel BMW still has the same excitement behind the ///M brand as it once did?
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Scott,

You feel BMW still has the same excitement behind the ///M brand as it once did?
Of course he does!

And let me tell you about the sales numbers of the BMW minivan, I mean 2 series whatever its called. Or BMW i3 ...wait, nevermind about that.
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