[MightyMouseTech]

Hopefully they can build better cars in Mexico than they could build Takata airbags.

[Flying Ace]

I'm guessing #45 will next tell us how Mexico is screwing us

[Flying Ace]

Originally Posted by F32Fleet

So AMG engine is signed by Billy rather than Fritz?

It'll still be built by a "Guillermo"

[440xiGCMSport2]

Originally Posted by 530iDriver

Mexico has had car manufacturing plants for decades.

Cars and trucks currently produced in Mexico and sold in the United States:

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/...d-south-border

I know they have been making cars for awhile but like I said it is a short time frame when you compare to other countries.

[BklynNYBMW]

Just about every BMW I have had had rattles, creaks or issue. Starring with the
2009 335i sport with the N55 engine. Fuel injectors issue. Made in Germany. 2010 550i fuel injectors issues . Made in Germany. 2013 335 xdrive, 2015 xdrive 335i msport, 2018 335i msport, all cars squeak and rattle by the seat belt anchor on the driver's side going over bumps, all made in South Africa. 2017 X6 5.0 Msport. Passenger mirror binds as it lowers to view the ground when the car is in reverse. Made in the USA.
Lets not all freak out because the new 3 is being made in Mexico but give it a fair chance. BMW makes car all over the world and every plant will have some degree of quality issue. The trick is to keep defects to a minimum. This is a business move on BMW's part. The idea is to increase sales and keep the $$$ coming in. Just my 2 cents
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2017 X6 5.0 MSport, Carbon Black Metallic w/ black leather. All options except vented seats and B/O sound system
2018 340i MSport Xdrive sedan. Glacier Silver w/Oyster. All options except active cruise control and window shades

[MachinesWithSouls]

Originally Posted by alex2364

https://autoweek.com/article/car-new...-built-germany

Interesting, thank you!

[raysspl]

Originally Posted by bimmer456

I'll drive a Mexican car. I drove Japanese cars and now have a German car so why not?

Same. QC/QA are very good with the German cars & they've proven that throughout time.

[320iG20]

Originally Posted by BklynNYBMW

Just about every BMW I have had had rattles, creaks or issue. Starring with the
2009 335i sport with the N55 engine. Fuel injectors issue. Made in Germany. 2010 550i fuel injectors issues . Made in Germany. 2013 335 xdrive, 2015 xdrive 335i msport, 2018 335i msport, all cars squeak and rattle by the seat belt anchor on the driver's side going over bumps, all made in South Africa. 2017 X6 5.0 Msport. Passenger mirror binds as it lowers to view the ground when the car is in reverse. Made in the USA.
Lets not all freak out because the new 3 is being made in Mexico but give it a fair chance. BMW makes car all over the world and every plant will have some degree of quality issue. The trick is to keep defects to a minimum. This is a business move on BMW's part. The idea is to increase sales and keep the $$$ coming in. Just my 2 cents

In 2011 the current VW CEO Herbert Diess has been head of the BMW buying department and pushed huge savings with the component suppliers - pay to play. We all saw the results.

In 2014 CEO Norbert Reithofer (consulted by McKinsey) introduced an austerity program with planned yearly savings of 3 to 4 billion Euro until 2020...

Current CEO Harald Krüger has now paused this program, which resulted in a profit warning that wasn't liked by the stock market.

So I would guess the G20 should be all right quality wise - but for how long?

[Germanauto]

Viva la Mehico

[GOLFFRR]

and so it begins

[nozydog]

Give them a chance... it'll all be fine!! No reason a German can operate a robot any better than a Mexican, it's all about the training, supervision & QC.

[praxis218]

Originally Posted by nozydog

Give them a chance... it'll all be fine!! No reason a German can operate a robot any better than a Mexican, it's all about the training, supervision & QC.

Yeah I would just avoid the first few months of production though. I would hate to be a month 1 delivery.

I'm going to give them maybe 10 months for them to work out the kinks (when my lease is coincidentally up ).

[Falafel Combo]

This guy better not be working at the new BMW plant!

[Jerich0]

Originally Posted by BklynNYBMW

Just about every BMW I have had had rattles, creaks or issue. Starring with the
2009 335i sport with the N55 engine. Fuel injectors issue. Made in Germany. 2010 550i fuel injectors issues . Made in Germany. 2013 335 xdrive, 2015 xdrive 335i msport, 2018 335i msport, all cars squeak and rattle by the seat belt anchor on the driver's side going over bumps, all made in South Africa. 2017 X6 5.0 Msport. Passenger mirror binds as it lowers to view the ground when the car is in reverse. Made in the USA.
Lets not all freak out because the new 3 is being made in Mexico but give it a fair chance. BMW makes car all over the world and every plant will have some degree of quality issue. The trick is to keep defects to a minimum. This is a business move on BMW's part. The idea is to increase sales and keep the $$$ coming in. Just my 2 cents
__________________________________________________ ______________
2017 X6 5.0 MSport, Carbon Black Metallic w/ black leather. All options except vented seats and B/O sound system
2018 340i MSport Xdrive sedan. Glacier Silver w/Oyster. All options except active cruise control and window shades

Most of these problems are design issues.

Factory worker not doing a good job is when panels are misaligned, torque specs of screws, missing parts... and the kings of these issues are Ford and Chevrolet US made cars...

[cesaroctavio_80]

Originally Posted by Jerich0

Mexican made cars “tend” to be a bit better than 1st world country made cars for a number of cultural reasons that I wont talk here among other things... I can assure you given the chance I would take a Mexican made car vs ROW, they have one of the finest manufacturing workforce that actually take pride on their job vs looking down upon it like most 1st world countries.

Viva Mexico

Completely agree with you I work in the automotive industry and It’s the same the world over.

[cesaroctavio_80]

Another comment, I guarantee you, with knowledge on the subject; that although the F30 is assembled in Germany, it uses components made in Mexico

[hans007]

Originally Posted by Jerich0

Most of these problems are design issues.

Factory worker not doing a good job is when panels are misaligned, torque specs of screws, missing parts... and the kings of these issues are Ford and Chevrolet US made cars...

don't forget the tesla!! or those horribly misaligned first 2 years of W205 C class bumpers / taillights in alabama!

[mecheng77]

Originally Posted by deadserial

My only experience was my 2014 grand Cherokee had the heads built in mexico and there was a huge issue with them. Mine threw a check engine light after 140 miles and I had to have the whole top end rebuilt because of the “lack of quality control” I was told by jeep corporate.

Yup Scotty K just released a video comparing
Chrysler's different plant quality. Quite eye opening

[CRtoE92]

Originally Posted by BMW M Power Mexico

Wow. A post full of prejudice shrouded in "reasonableness".

a) Mexico is part of North America. Look at a map.
b) Mexico is far from "where everything goes to die". It's one of the top 11-13 economies in the world, notwithstanding your opinion. That is a fact.
c) Somehow you feel that US workers in Alabama are capable of meeting German standards but Mexican workers aren't. Based on nothing but your individual prejudice.

Its based on my observation thru my whole life in Ca

[Big boi m5]

I'm a big guitar guy. Also, full disclosure, I've been anti-NAFTA since before Trump made it cool.

The 'Stratocaster' guitar that everyone recognizes and loves is currently made by Fender in California, and just across the boarder in Mexico.

The US version sells for $1500. the Mexican? $550. To the untrained eye these instruments are identical. Both designed by Americans. Once we study them closer you start to realize why things cost different.

1. Labor costs: The third world does not have the history of socialism/unions protecting workers rights. It's cheap as hell to employ a Mexican and super expensive to employ an American or German. It baffles me that any good liberal could support exploiting foreign labor like this. Workers of the world unite? Literally Imperial Europe was better to its colonial factory workers in the third world than the new capitalist version is. Your iPhone or BMW is cheaper because the corporation can pay someone $3 an hour in Fenders case in Mexico w way was benefits while a US worker would demand over $15 and full benefits.

2. Materials: The Mexican Stratocaster uses small pieces of wood (cheaper) and glues it together and covers it with paint so you don't notice. The wires in the Mexican guitars use diluted copper sometimes on the order of 5% copper 95% mystery recycled metal. It conducts electricity, but corrodes and breaks faster. The US version uses 1-3 pieces of big wood, stainless steel, and proper wiring. The wood in a US instrument is dried properly for a long period of time. Any moisture left In the wood when it is cut will warp the wood and affect the ability of the instrument to play the proper note. All of the cheap materials look great but wear out much faster and to be frank, aren't built to last, but built to look good in the shop window.

3. Build Quality. A Mexican strat takes 8 hours to make. An American Stratocaster takes 2 weeks. The US version has much more TLC at every step and attention to detail is critical. The paint, wiring, assembly, sanding, polishing, cutting. Everything takes longer by design in the US and thus every detail is perfect.

I will say the Mexican build quality has vastly improved over the past 10 years but Fender still dictates cheaper parts and less hours per unit.

So I, using an educated guess, would strongly recommend avoiding this generation of 3 series simply from a build quality point of view. I'd expect 5-10 years before the factory figures out how to do a nice job. Will BMW use cheaper parts and less hours per unit? I would guess so simply because I expect production to have so many snags the factory will need to cut corners to meet expectations of volume.

I also from a political point of view recommend avoiding Mexican made cars. From the left's standpoint it exploits Mexican workers. From the rights point of view it excludes American workers and transfers wealth out of the country. German/ Japan made cars are different in the sense that those economies function as satellites of the US since the Cold War (origin of the name 1st world) while Mexico went its own way during the Cold War. (definition of third world).

As far as preempting accusations of racism go? I get the sense that a US made fender and a Mexican made Fender are both made by ethnic Mexicans lmao. They can be great they can be lazy, like everyone else.

Also, BMW is beholden to share holders. Ford, GM, Mazda and many others do this. Design and management in the EU and US and manufacturing 'in the colonies' is a 200 year old practice from the colonial days. The reason to do this is because you save huge on wages and benefits. Each 3 series will still cost $40k up but it will cost BMW much less to produce. Since our economy in the US and EU is dependent on banking and growth to power retirement Anyone who owns BMW stock benefits in the form of profit growth. Most US workers ironically will benefit via the 401k retirement that keeps ticking up as most of us will have diversified portfolios with some auto stock. On the other hand this sacrifices US workers building cars with great wages and benefits.

Fundamentally, it's tough, we would all as a group be better off 'Trump' style and pulling back on globalization . As individuals we benefit directly on the short term with the 'Merkel/Macron' liberal approach but at the cost of exploiting the third world and killing local manufacturing. The long term effects will likely be unfixable.

The BMW G310 is a decent bike by all accounts manufactured in India with 'strict oversight' by BMW. There are however numerous errors in manufacturing as a result of build quality. Mostly cosmetic. I can only imagine these will manifest as rattles, gaps, etc from Mexico. The bike itself is very solid aside from these minor issues. This will all depend on BMW.

Also, historically, the ascendant nation is typically the one that has the most 'made in x' products floating around Europe/US.

In the 1800s Britain, 1918 on? USA. Currently? Well, you tell me.

TLDR? Wait on Mexican BMWs if build quality is all that matters. Fender Mexican guitars are excellent compared to 10 years ago! Politically? Hard to justify imo, but also hard to avoid in the modern economic climate.

[Dethsupp0rt]

Originally Posted by SleepingBMW

The 'Stratocaster' guitar that everyone recognizes and loves is currently made by Fender in California, and just across the boarder in Mexico.

I also from a political point of view recommend avoiding Mexican made cars. From the left's standpoint it exploits Mexican workers. From the rights point of view it excludes American workers and transfers wealth out of the country.

I'm not terribly interested in getting into a political discussion here, but I've seen my share of shoddy American Strats over the years as well.

Granted, I haven't been into the guitar scene in years, but when I was, I'd certainly take a Mexican Strat, swap out pots and pups (you're mostly right about the electronics, that's where the costs are cut), and come out with something way better feeling and sounding than the American one.

As far as exploiting Mexican workers goes, there aren't a lot of opportunities in some of these places . . . so even though they may only be making $4/hour, that's a ton more than they'd be making if those jobs weren't there, and $4/hour goes a lot farther there than it does here.

Plus, it gets the younger generation interested in higher-tech careers that they wouldn't be able to pursue, or may not even know about otherwise.

Granted, there's a lot of work to be done here to achieve parity with other nations, but it's a start.

From the right point of view, it wouldn't matter, since it's not a 'murican car anyway. They won't buy a BMW just like they won't buy a Honda or Toyota (the joke being the Honda and Toyota are made with more American labor and content than pretty much all Chrysler, Ford, and GM products).

[Mpunk]

Originally Posted by Schmee150

My prior Golf GTI was made in Mexico and it had a ton of issues. Granted my USA made X3 already has a ton of rattles. Actually my German made F80 also creaks like an old wooden ship.

Wait, you moved to the U.S.?! I thought you lived in London! Love your channel BTW!