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      11-27-2020, 08:25 PM   #1
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Is this the last generation of the two-door coupe?

I wonder is the G22 4 Series coupe last generation of BMW two door coupe? As I see all other brands suspend development of 2 door coupe models. Maybe the 4 Series is the last 2 door coupe for BMW (exc. M4 model). What is your opinion about that?
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I wonder is the G22 4 Series coupe last generation of BMW two door coupe? As I see all other brands suspend development of 2 door coupe models. Maybe the 4 Series is the last 2 door coupe for BMW (exc. M4 model). What is your opinion about that?
I hope not. I don't know what the sales figures are but the coupes tend to look/be sportier. There is a definite market there.
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I wonder is the G22 4 Series coupe last generation of BMW two door coupe? As I see all other brands suspend development of 2 door coupe models. Maybe the 4 Series is the last 2 door coupe for BMW (exc. M4 model). What is your opinion about that?
Where are you seeing that other manufacturers are suspending 2 door coupe models? Personally, I have not seen such reports.
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      11-27-2020, 09:30 PM   #4
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Where are you seeing that other manufacturers are suspending 2 door coupe models? Personally, I have not seen such reports.
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https://www.motor1.com/news/441370/s...-discontinued/

https://www.wapcar.my/news/mercedesb...continued-4517
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With SUVs accounting for more than half of BMW new car sales... and coupe sales sliding in recent years, the G22 could be the end of the coupes That said, with the competition dropping coupes, BMW could fill the void. We shall see.

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Interesting. Thanks for posting.
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That said, with the competition dropping coupes, BMW could the void. We shall see.
Agreed. In general I think BMW buyers are probably a little more coupe oriented than Merc buyers. I say that because I see considerably more BMW 3er/4er 2 door coupes than I see Merc C Class coupes. Also, I’ve been surprised by just how popular the 8er 2 door coupe is. I see them fairly frequently.
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Interesting. Thanks for posting.
I'm concerned a bit to be honest.
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Also, I’ve been surprised by just how popular the 8er 2 door coupe is. I see them fairly frequently.
Pretty sure BMW is going to cancel the 8er coupe amidst poor sales...

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/jalopnik...1842511418/amp
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Mercedes has a far broader model lineup than BMW, with a lot more room to axe redundant models. Take the AMG CLS 53 Coupe and AMG GT 53 4-door Coupe, for example. Would Mercedes not be able to steer prospective customers into one or the other without losing sales?
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Pretty sure BMW is going to cancel the 8er coupe amidst poor sales...

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/jalopnik...1842511418/amp
I mean, I probably wouldn't say no if they tried to offload one for like the price of an M4 lol but $150k for it opens up a lot of very healthy competitors. That's Porsche territory for a 2 door coupe. And yeah, yeah, different flavors of driving that it's intended for, I'm just saying...
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BMW is in the process of getting rid of low-selling cars, many models are affected by this. Since the 4 being the most sold coupe in BMWs lineup I don't think they will axe it, just sells too good and makes more money for them (higher price but same development/production cost than a 3 series = more money for BMW). What will probably happen is a reduction of offered engines, e.g. only M440i and M4 no more 430i/420i or diesels. My current understanding (which is in line with the future models thread) is the following:
  • 1 Series F40 and 2 Series GC F44 might get a new model after 5 years without LCI similar to the F15. Currently it's based on the (old) UKL FWD architecture and is not "future proof"
  • 2 Series Active Tourer will get a new model based on UKL, Gran Tourer will be phased out after EOP
  • 2 Series Coupe F42 will get a new model next year based on the RWD CLAR architecture. Convertible will be phased out after F23 EOP. M2 is too popular and is making too much money to axe the 2 series.
  • 3 Series will stay
  • 4 Series will stay, GC might be phased out and replaced by the i4 after this model (i.e. in 7 years)
  • 5 Series will stay
  • 6 Series GT will be phased out after EOP
  • 7 Series SWB will be axed (only available in Europe anyway)
  • 8 Series Coupe and Convertible will be axed (90% of 8 series sales are GC)
  • All X models will stay, additional models will be introduced (X7M is probably not coming, X8 will come, X9 is rumoured, BMW M Halo SUV is rumoured as well).
  • Z4 might be phased out after EOP

To get back to topic on the 4 Series Coupe: I don't think it will be the last one. The 4 Series and the M4 specifically is the "heart" of BMW, it wouldn't be wise to axe it. What I think could happen is a reduction of development cost for the normal 4 series (for the new model in 7 years), so it will not get all the "extra" stuff (suspension, wider track etc.) compared to the 3 series. Also as mentioned before a reduction of drivetrains to only M440i and M4.

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I can’t see the 30 models going away. In the 3er, 4er, probably the X3 they account for 75% of U.S. sales.
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I can’t see the 30 models going away. In the 3er, 4er, probably the X3 they account for 75% of U.S. sales.
On the 3 and X3 yes, on the 4 series coupe F32 it's more like 60% 35i/40i. Gran coupe being a fancier version of the normal 3 series is a different story. With offering less engine options I specifically mean the 4 Sercies Coupe, not the GC or the normal 3 Series.

People that buy a coupe are generally more enthusiasts, so there is a high chance of upselling those that had a 430i before to an M440i. Otherwise they can still get an M240i for 430i money or a 430i GC or 330i sedan or i4.
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Also, I've been surprised by just how popular the 8er 2 door coupe is. I see them fairly frequently.
Pretty sure BMW is going to cancel the 8er coupe amidst poor sales...

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/jalopnik...1842511418/amp
Od course 8er doesen't sell well. They made Asian design, especially rear end design of 8 Series looks like some Hyundai model. Plus it's too big (because Asians love big cars and big grills) and now they can sell it only in Asia. I can not understand why BMW don't make different cars for Asian market (big market) where they can put everything Asian people want.
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If the hideous nose kills sales, then it will be the last
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To get back to topic on the 4 Series Coupe: I don't think it will be the last one. The 4 Series and the M4 specifically is the "heart" of BMW, it wouldn't be wise to axe it.
One could also suggest that the 3er/M3 and 5er/M5 are the heart of BMW since these models grew both BMW and the M sub brand from its modest sales prior to their arrival to what it is today. It’s true that the M3 in particular was known primarily as a two door model for most of those years, but it is arguably the model name that is most important.

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What I think could happen is a reduction of development cost for the normal 4 series (for the new model in 7 years), so it will not get all the "extra" stuff (suspension, wider track etc.) compared to the 3 series. Also as mentioned before a reduction of drivetrains to only M440i and M4.
That might keep it around for another generation, but unless something major changes, the trends suggest two box vehicles - SUVs and crossovers - will continue to dominate while those with three box form factors - sedans and coupes - will slide further to niche status.

We can surmise that the decline in coupe sales is due in no small part to the fact that one no longer needs to remove the rear doors from what would have otherwise been a sedan to advertise that their vehicle makes compromises in order to eek out the most performance for the footprint. Just the fact that it isn’t an SUV sends that message loudly and even more clearly than leaving off the rear doors once did. Furthermore, in today’s world of shared vehicle platforms, coupes offer no performance benefit over a sedan.

The above phenomena coupled with other trends such as manual transmissions and naturally aspirated engines being removed from sedans (which then makes them non viable from a business perspective in the equivalent coupe model) is why much of the enthusiast market has been moving to purpose built sports cars like those from Porsche.

If every single coupe model on the market today that also has a corresponding sedan (or in some cases, even a “four door” coupe) sibling were suddenly stricken from existence, the effect on the market might very well be negligible (this has already occurred for FWD models and few reading this thread even noticed). Those who can fit a sports car into their lives would simply buy one of those - and be the better off for it I’d say, and likely wonder why they didn’t sooner. And those that cannot would simply buy the sedan and be just as happy with the car’s performance. This hypothetical situation might very well be the reality by the middle of next decade if not sooner.
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I’m trying to think back to when I really noticed the “sport sedan” performance taking off. Aside from the M5 I mean. Maybe the Acura TSX? Circa 2006?
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I saw it in person, that car is NOT pretty. And the coupe needs to be. If they drop the line after this model, it will not surprise me.
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I saw it in person, that car is NOT pretty. And the coupe needs to be. If they drop the line after this model, it will not surprise me.
Let's not forget about the upcoming 2 series G42 replacing the current 2 series F22 and hopefully does not have similar same design as the 4 series.
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The F82 M4 was very popular. I probably saw a 10:1 ratio of F82 M4s to F80 M3s. For that reason alone it wouldn't make sense to shelve the entire 4-series line.

And with the Z4 and 8-series cab likely dying off after their current iterations, I wouldn't be surprised if BMW keeps around the 4er cabriolet for the sake of having one cab in their fleet.
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The F82 M4 was very popular. I probably saw a 10:1 ratio of F82 M4s to F80 M3s. For that reason alone it wouldn't make sense to shelve the entire 4-series line.

And with the Z4 and 8-series cab likely dying off after their current iterations, I wouldn't be surprised if BMW keeps around the 4er cabriolet for the sake of having one cab in their fleet.
I always found it strange that the F82 was so much more popular than the F80. Not that there's anything wrong with the F82 looks but much like the new M3, I find the stubby flared out look to be so much more appealing.
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