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      11-24-2019, 08:12 AM   #23
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Excited for you! I was hassling the poor lady BMW Williams in Manchester the last few weeks before mine was delivered 😂
I'm being an absolute pain. I'm on at the BMW genius team, the lease company and the dealer! No one is safe lol.
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Excited for you! I was hassling the poor lady BMW Williams in Manchester the last few weeks before mine was delivered 😂
I'm being an absolute pain. I'm on at the BMW genius team, the lease company and the dealer! No one is safe lol.
Danish, Fizal, Chris and Lavita are my regular people on the genius chat! My guy at the dealership seems to be on a lot of breaks recently! Lol
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      11-24-2019, 10:52 AM   #25
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Danish, Fizal, Chris and Lavita are my regular people on the genius chat! My guy at the dealership seems to be on a lot of breaks recently! Lol
Atleast I'm not the only one. Mines departed plant as of Thursday so I'm expecting about another two weeks until it's on my drive - sound about right?
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Danish, Fizal, Chris and Lavita are my regular people on the genius chat! My guy at the dealership seems to be on a lot of breaks recently! Lol
Atleast I'm not the only one. Mines departed plant as of Thursday so I'm expecting about another two weeks until it's on my drive - sound about right?
Fingers crossed for it arriving sooner. Mine departed the plant on Tuesday and was updated to arrived at port of entry Friday morning. So now it just needs to get from Southampton to Chelmsford. So sure where the PDI's will take place.
So considering the genius team are quoting a delivery to dealer as the week beginning 2nd December it could be 2-3 weeks. Depending on if registration and PDI's are completed in Southampton or not!
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Fingers crossed for it arriving sooner. Mine departed the plant on Tuesday and was updated to arrived at port of entry Friday morning. So now it just needs to get from Southampton to Chelmsford. So sure where the PDI's will take place.
So considering the genius team are quoting a delivery to dealer as the week beginning 2nd December it could be 2-3 weeks. Depending on if registration and PDI's are completed in Southampton or not!
From the research I've done (plenty!), the PDI will be carried out at Southampton then on to your dealer. Depending on any dealer added features, you should get it a day or two after that.

I think you'll be good for w/c 2nd, maybe end of the week. I think I'll have mine the week after.

What colour / spec have you gone for??
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I've got a similar timeline. Due to be manufactured week of 2nd Dec, in the dealer week of 23rd Dec. But I think I'm going to be lucky to see it before Christmas.
I hope we both have ours by Christmas!
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Fingers crossed for it arriving sooner. Mine departed the plant on Tuesday and was updated to arrived at port of entry Friday morning. So now it just needs to get from Southampton to Chelmsford. So sure where the PDI's will take place.
So considering the genius team are quoting a delivery to dealer as the week beginning 2nd December it could be 2-3 weeks. Depending on if registration and PDI's are completed in Southampton or not!
From the research I've done (plenty!), the PDI will be carried out at Southampton then on to your dealer. Depending on any dealer added features, you should get it a day or two after that.

I think you'll be good for w/c 2nd, maybe end of the week. I think I'll have mine the week after.

What colour / spec have you gone for??
I've gone with the bog standard 330e M Sport, in Portimao Blue with the Cognac interior! Any additional extras took me over the £40K mark. Which would have trashed the savings on offer moving from the Golf GTD, as a company car! I could have opted for a Prius which would have been an even bigger saving. But who the hell would do that! Lol
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I've gone with the bog standard 330e M Sport, in Portimao Blue with the Cognac interior! Any additional extras took me over the £40K mark. Which would have trashed the savings on offer moving from the Golf GTD, as a company car! I could have opted for a Prius which would have been an even bigger saving. But who the hell would do that! Lol
Yeah that would take an extreme level of economic thinking to make that choice! My father in law just had that exact model delivered and he's over the moon with it. As all the bells and whistles you need really.
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I've gone with the bog standard 330e M Sport, in Portimao Blue with the Cognac interior! Any additional extras took me over the £40K mark. Which would have trashed the savings on offer moving from the Golf GTD, as a company car! I could have opted for a Prius which would have been an even bigger saving. But who the hell would do that! Lol
Yeah that would take an extreme level of economic thinking to make that choice! My father in law just had that exact model delivered and he's over the moon with it. As all the bells and whistles you need really.
The car has moved to storage 9645. But I have been informed I will be looking at between 20th December to 1st week of Jan! I will commence crying in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1......
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I've gone with the bog standard 330e M Sport, in Portimao Blue with the Cognac interior! Any additional extras took me over the £40K mark. Which would have trashed the savings on offer moving from the Golf GTD, as a company car! I could have opted for a Prius which would have been an even bigger saving. But who the hell would do that! Lol
Yeah that would take an extreme level of economic thinking to make that choice! My father in law just had that exact model delivered and he's over the moon with it. As all the bells and whistles you need really.
The car has moved to storage 9645. But I have been informed I will be looking at between 20th December to 1st week of Jan! I will commence crying in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1......
It's only moved to storage for maybe a day. They have to give it some code after port of entry and awaiting distribution.

No problem
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Out of interest, how do these hybrids manage petrol/electric power? Can you set it to electric only or automatic so it switches/uses a combination of petrol/electric simultaneously?

And lastly if you start off with zero battery power can it charge the battery enough (via brake regen etc) during a normal drive to show some improvement over a petrol only version?

Personally I have a 80 mile daily commute so on the face of it doesn't sound a good option.
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Out of interest, how do these hybrids manage petrol/electric power? Can you set it to electric only or automatic so it switches/uses a combination of petrol/electric simultaneously?

And lastly if you start off with zero battery power can it charge the battery enough (via brake regen etc) during a normal drive to show some improvement over a petrol only version?

Personally I have a 80 mile daily commute so on the face of it doesn't sound a good option.
I do 140 mile daily commute and averaging over 60mpg charging at home and work, so I think over an 80 mile commute, charging just at home, you could easily match that. Running costs per mile are better than a 2 litre diesel, and also swifter and more refined at the same time.

I'd say the 330e is the pick of the range now for many people, unless outright performance is key.
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      11-26-2019, 01:24 PM   #35
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Out of interest, how do these hybrids manage petrol/electric power? Can you set it to electric only or automatic so it switches/uses a combination of petrol/electric simultaneously?

And lastly if you start off with zero battery power can it charge the battery enough (via brake regen etc) during a normal drive to show some improvement over a petrol only version?

Personally I have a 80 mile daily commute so on the face of it doesn't sound a good option.
So it has various modes. It defaults into Hybrid which gives you a responsive but eco-focused drive. Or (as I do) you can use Hybrid Eco Pro to maximise fuel economy which reduces the throttle responsiveness, air con, heated seat "heat" and even the headlight brightness under some circumstances. Either way it will do everything for you with the power you have, especially if you program in a destination via the iDrive sat NAV when it looks at the road topology, speed limits etc. to eek out the most of the battery. Or you can force it into electric only mode where it gives you a little bit more electric power (max circa 85mph) but I've found pure Electric mode drains the battery quicker than Hybrid (even if Hybrid is only using electric power).

If you want to get a bit mental (who doesn't from time to time!) chose either Sport or XtraBoost mode. Sport gives you a much more responsive throttle and on part load will deploy about 250hp (petrol + electric). Floor the throttle (or choose XtraBoost mode) and it takes off like a bat out of hell with over 290hp. It really does shift and throttle is instant. It will only maintain this for about 10 seconds but that's more than enough to be bouncing off speed limits, even from standstill. If you drive around (normally) for a while in XtraBoost mode it does noticeably charge the battery back up.

There is a Battery Control mode which allows you to set a charge % and it will try and maintain the battery at that level. You can turn it on after the battery has been depleted and it will use the engine to charge the battery back up (fairly slowly) but it is hammering the fuel economy to do this.

Mine also has an Adaptive mode which is meant to set the suspension/engine/gearbox/steering to reflect how you drive/road conditions but I've never used it... You only get this with the M Sport Plus pack (which includes adaptive suspension, 19" wheels and other stuff)

You will get some regen from just driving normally. In fact its quite surprising over a long run. I have a 92 mile (return) commute (mostly motorway) and I can charge at home and at the office. I easily get 180-200mpg on this route (I do drive pretty gently, I just potter along at 60-65) and get 30-35 miles of electric power (it has got worse since the weather turned). On a 170 mile trip in September I got 47 electric miles and averaged about 67 MPG.

Assuming your 80 mile commute is total distance and not each way and you can charge at your office then you should get a bit better than me. Even if it's 80 miles and you can't charge then you might still get 80+ MPG, I'd guess. If it's 80 miles each way and you can't charge then you may be (slightly) better getting a 320d as the 330e economy just gets worse the further the journey once the battery is flat.

Over 3500 miles I've averaged 80MPG and I do circa 2k miles/month and only do my standard commute 1-2 times a week. This is way better than I was expecting. If you hack along in the outside lane at 90mph you'll get a lot less as it will be engine only.
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That’s a really good overview tricky, thanks! How noticeable is the throttle dampening on Hybrid Eco Pro?

I was looking for that info so very helpful!

I have a funny feeling my car is going to be delayed longer than anticipated - which is going to upset me haha! My C Class is falling apart 🤣
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Many thanks for the detail reply. Commute is 40 each way. I only bought the 335D this year so will likely keep it for a while. I get 40+ mpg so no complaints there.

The future certainly looks like electric at the moment so I am just doing some homework for the next change whenever that may be.
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Mine had confirmed production for week 46 and delivery for 3-4 weeks after that. In my case, it was produced in Germany for delivery to Norway.

I can't wait!! I'm driving a Golf loaner for the moment (Hertz, company car) and though is not a bad car, the more I wait the more I dislike it as well

Ordering hybrids, especially this one, is the very best choice you can make here in Norway. We have to pay a lot of money based on CO2 emissions, but this car is almost exempt. Just so you guys get an idea: the 320d pays roughly USD15000 in CO2 fees. The 330e, USD 260. Thanks to this, I'll be getting the car pretty much fully loaded, with every single package, M-Sport, sunroof, etc., etc., etc.

I'm counting the days for it to arrive!
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I do 140 mile daily commute and averaging over 60mpg charging at home and work, so I think over an 80 mile commute, charging just at home, you could easily match that. Running costs per mile are better than a 2 litre diesel, and also swifter and more refined at the same time.

I'd say the 330e is the pick of the range now for many people, unless outright performance is key.
I did a 160 mile round trip yesterday in my 330e M Sport to Rugby from Wiltshire using the old Fosse Way A429 on one full charge using a variety of modes and xtra boost a few times for the rare overtaking opportunities. What a blast!! The 289bhp when called on made overtaking a breeze and the engine note piped through the speakers put a broad smile on my face.
Best of all?...I averaged 47.3 mpg. My old 520d M Sport would have returned around 42mpg.
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Well worth getting a proper charging point installed if you've got a drive and staying in your house a few years. Government grant gives £500 towards it meaning you can get it installed for about £400 IIRC.

It's better from an electrical safety perspective and it's quicker to charge than 3 pin plug charger. The G20 takes about 3 hours or so.
What about a day/night electricity plan where you pay a reduced rate at night and a bit more during the day, would that be worthwhile?
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Well worth getting a proper charging point installed if you've got a drive and staying in your house a few years. Government grant gives £500 towards it meaning you can get it installed for about £400 IIRC.

It's better from an electrical safety perspective and it's quicker to charge than 3 pin plug charger. The G20 takes about 3 hours or so.
What about a day/night electricity plan where you pay a reduced rate at night and a bit more during the day, would that be worthwhile?
Not sure, I guess it could be, but you'd need to work out what your relative energy usage between car and home is and then the different costs.

The F30 battery wasn't so big that I noticed or felt that out electric bill was particularly bigger than I'd expect it to be, but I do think I wil notice it more with this new one, so could well be worthwhile.
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What about a day/night electricity plan where you pay a reduced rate at night and a bit more during the day, would that be worthwhile?
Even without having an electric car it pays to have a night reduced rate. In my case (Spain) even consuming only 40% on night rate (from 10pm to 12pm, 14 hours of reduced rate) it paid off, so if you just pay a bit of attention (drier, dishwasher, etc.) you will use more than 50% on reduced rate. If you add the electric car charge then it is a huge saving for you. That’s Spain but i assume it would be similar in other countries.
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Even without having an electric car it pays to have a night reduced rate. In my case (Spain) even consuming only 40% on night rate (from 10pm to 12pm, 14 hours of reduced rate) it paid off, so if you just pay a bit of attention (drier, dishwasher, etc.) you will use more than 50% on reduced rate. If you add the electric car charge then it is a huge saving for you. That’s Spain but i assume it would be similar in other countries.
Here in Ireland the reduced rate is between 11pm and 8am. Instead of 15c per unit all day, you pay 7.5c during the night and about 17c during the day.
Average daily use is about 12 units. The 330e will take 12 units to charge. So if you charge it at night you would be consuming 50% of your electricity on the reduced rate. So yes, I think it would propably be worthwhile - that's even without kicking the wife out of bed at 3am to turn on the washing machine!
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Here in Ireland the reduced rate is between 11pm and 8am. Instead of 15c per unit all day, you pay 7.5c during the night and about 17c during the day.
Average daily use is about 12 units. The 330e will take 12 units to charge. So if you charge it at night you would be consuming 50% of your electricity on the reduced rate. So yes, I think it would propably be worthwhile - that's even without kicking the wife out of bed at 3am to turn on the washing machine!
Hahaha probably having your wife waking up at 3am to turn on the washing machine won't be a great idea. In my case i simply turn those appliances on at 10pm, before going to bed or at 7am, before going to work. So after all I use more than 50% on reduced rate. My rates are an average of 5.5cents for reduced tariff and 12.5cents of morning rate, so if you make the numbers you do not need to have 50% consumption on reduced rate to make it worthy
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