[bri1042]

I don't know that I trust Motor1 much, but I wonder if the MT take rate on the M2 would be closer to the M3/4 if the M2 offered AWD with the auto. Still, if the MT take rate on the M3/4 is anywhere near 20%, that's still really solid considering the lack of a Competition MT.

https://www.motor1.com/news/703271/2...nual-m2-sales/

[BryanCO]

Great to hear but a bit embarrassing that the 4/5 Blackwing manual take rate is about 50%.

[bri1042]

Originally Posted by BryanCO

Great to hear but a bit embarrassing that the 4/5 Blackwing manual take rate is about 50%.

I really feel like that's the lack of AWD on BWs, like it is for the M2. The choice between AWD and better 0-60 times pulls people away from the slower MT choice.

[MT6]

I think so too a 20% take for MT G80x is a solid figure.

[SunKing101]

I helped with this stat!

[geko29]

Originally Posted by BryanCO

Great to hear but a bit embarrassing that the 4/5 Blackwing manual take rate is about 50%.

If the Competition and xDrive were available with the manual, the M3/M4 would probably be right up there. The M2, which doesn't suffer from less power or AWD if you choose the manual, is over 50%. Likewise for the Blackwings--same drivetrain regardless of transmission, roughly 50% take rate.

If you look at it in reverse, shows you what a huge draw the extra power and AWD have. In all likelihood, 3 out of every 5 people who would have chosen the manual did not, because they wanted the more advanced drivetrain.

I know it made for an agonizing decision in my case, as I really wanted a G83. But the manual eventually won out. But my first choice would have been a 6MT Comp xDrive Convertible.

[vasillalov]

The Cadillac manual transmission is very different than BMW. I wish AWD was offered with 6MT but I am happy with just RWD on my G80 and 6MT.

I also bet that 20% take rate on G80 is higher in USA than Europe.

[Forzanerazzurri]

That's significantly higher than I thought. Wow

[BryanCO]

Originally Posted by geko29

If the Competition and xDrive were available with the manual, the M3/M4 would probably be right up there. The M2, which doesn't suffer from less power or AWD if you choose the manual, is over 50%. Likewise for the Blackwings--same drivetrain regardless of transmission, roughly 50% take rate.

If you look at it in reverse, shows you what a huge draw the extra power and AWD have. In all likelihood, 3 out of every 5 people who would have chosen the manual did not, because they wanted the more advanced drivetrain.

I know it made for an agonizing decision in my case, as I really wanted a G83. But the manual eventually won out. But my first choice would have been a 6MT Comp xDrive Convertible.

My comment was mostly just a joke. But I wonder what would be the manual take rate if it was available in all versions? You seem to think about 68% (20% plus 3/5 of the other 80%). My guess would be around 30% total.

[seis-speed]

100% for my newish GR Corolla.

[seis-speed]

Originally Posted by BryanCO

My comment was mostly just a joke. But I wonder what would be the manual take rate if it was available in all versions? You seem to think about 68% (20% plus 3/5 of the other 80%). My guess would be around 30% total.

F80 was 30%

OG M2 was above 50%

Not sure on M2 comp & CS.

Following the 'Blackwing' sales, very few buyer's orders are an automatic, it seems that almost all dealer stock on extra allocations are automatics and they sit and fetch less money than a 6MT car. When you see a 6MT in available inventory, the car is generally already sold before it arrives at the dealer. I think if Cadillac only built customer orders.... it could be as high as 75-80% 6MT.

[BryanCO]

Originally Posted by seis-speed

F80 was 30%

OG M2 was above 50%

Not sure on M2 comp & CS.

Following the 'Blackwing' sales, very few buyer's orders are an automatic, it seems that almost all dealer stock on extra allocations are automatics and they sit and fetch less money than a 6MT car. When you see a 6MT in available inventory, the car is generally already sold before it arrives at the dealer. I think if Cadillac only built customer orders.... it could be as high as 75-80% 6MT.

Good info!

[geko29]

Originally Posted by BryanCO

My comment was mostly just a joke. But I wonder what would be the manual take rate if it was available in all versions? You seem to think about 68% (20% plus 3/5 of the other 80%). My guess would be around 30% total.

No, I think about 50%, just like the M2 and Blackwings. You got the math wrong. 3/5 that wanted the manual is not 3/5 of all buyers. If half would have bought it with a manual had their preferred configuration been available, only 2 out of 5 (20% vs. 50%) actually did.

Originally Posted by vasillalov

I also bet that 20% take rate on G80 is higher in USA than Europe.

That's a very easy bet to make, since in many European countries the take rate is 0. Difficult to buy what isn't offered.

[BryanCO]

Originally Posted by geko29

No, I think about 50%, just like the M2 and Blackwings. You got the math wrong. 3/5 that wanted the manual is not 3/5 of all buyers. If half would have bought it with a manual had their preferred configuration been available, only 2 out of 5 (20% vs. 50%) actually did.



That's a very easy bet to make, since in many European countries the take rate is 0. Difficult to buy what isn't offered.

The internet is so funny. My math is correct (even had my engineering student son check it) but my understanding of what you were saying was wrong.

Anyway, my guess was 30%. Yours is 50%. I would guess the manual take rate would be similar (probably less) than the e60 M5 rate and not comparable to the M2. Just my guess. But as seis-speed posted, if the f80 was 30%, I wouldn’t think it would greater that that.

[geko29]

Originally Posted by BryanCO

The internet is so funny. My math is correct (even had my engineering student son check it) but my understanding of what you were saying was wrong.

Yeah I worded that poorly. I competed in Math Reasoning in High School (Nerd alert!) and whether you defined the terms incorrectly (which is what happened here) or made a calculation error (not the case), the "math" was wrong and you probably weren't getting the medal. It's all good.

Originally Posted by BryanCO

Anyway, my guess was 30%. Yours is 50%. I would guess the manual take rate would be similar (probably less) than the e60 M5 rate and not comparable to the M2. Just my guess. But as seis-speed posted, if the f80 was 30%, I wouldn’t think it would greater that that.

Totally valid reasoning. I can live with 30-50%

[CSBM5]

Originally Posted by seis-speed

F80 was 30%

OG M2 was above 50%

Not sure on M2 comp & CS.

Following the 'Blackwing' sales, very few buyer's orders are an automatic, it seems that almost all dealer stock on extra allocations are automatics and they sit and fetch less money than a 6MT car. When you see a 6MT in available inventory, the car is generally already sold before it arrives at the dealer. I think if Cadillac only built customer orders.... it could be as high as 75-80% 6MT.

M2 CS was 70% manual in the US:

[SoCalBimmerGuy]

Originally Posted by bri1042

I don't know that I trust Motor1 much, but I wonder if the MT take rate on the M2 would be closer to the M3/4 if the M2 offered AWD with the auto. Still, if the MT take rate on the M3/4 is anywhere near 20%, that's still really solid considering the lack of a Competition MT.

https://www.motor1.com/news/703271/2...nual-m2-sales/

From what I have heard it’s more like 5-10 percent take rate on the MT

[geko29]

Originally Posted by SoCalBimmerGuy

From what I have heard it’s more like 5-10 percent take rate on the MT

Seeing as the article has a direct quote from BMW, I'm going to go with their numbers:

“Demand for manual transmissions in our high-performance M products remained very strong in 2023, accounting for about 20 percent of M3 and M4 sales (combined) and over half of M2 sales,” a BMW spokesperson told Motor1 in an email.

[RichardGM4]

Can't even buy the non-Competition MT in the UK - they sold so few of the manual, non-comp versions of the F80/F82 that they decided there was no market for it here.