[SCOTT26]

Originally Posted by seis-speed

SCOTT26

You have seen the car, how close is this?

Will the answer make you feel generally excited? Emotional at an elevated level?
Or hateful with strong distaste? There is only one answer I can give.
Will you like it? Or despise it even more though?

As I said previously what they say: The need to distance M cars is very much a global decision. The M customer explains that there is not much variation. The M3/M4 and even M2 are the "wild cards"
They are more volume therefore they can still offer taboo features like a manual transmission. When the competition cannot.

It heralds an all new outlook to BMW M. Engineering,Performance and Design.
Enough with the nonsense about China. Especially when the US remains the largest M market.
I can sympathise in regards to the appearance. But I know that time will be its greatest ally and some of the detractors will come to eventually love it.

[SCOTT26]

Originally Posted by Kuato2084

I've read that BMW might reveal it (in images) at Geneva on March 3rd. The car seems all ready to go so they might as well.

The i4 Concept (Thinly disguised production model) debuts @ Geneva.

[jinnrice]

Originally Posted by Original

I thought it looked like an Alfa Romeo for some reason.

Originally Posted by Original

I thought it looked like an Alfa Romeo for some reason.

Yea me too

[evanescent03]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

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I may be able to get behind something like this

[bartginger]

I know nothing about this new front end and am very late to the party. I am not going to indicate whether I like or dislike it so I can get an "unbiased" answer to the following question.

If the new kidney grill was designed to allow for increased cooling, what happens to the effectiveness of said cooling when laws require that you install a number plate dead center of the new grill?

[SAMM3Y]

Will it stand the test of time though? Nothing can be worse than this....

[chrisny]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Will the answer make you feel generally excited? Emotional at an elevated level?
Or hateful with strong distaste? There is only one answer I can give.
Will you like it? Or despise it even more though?

As I said previously what they say: The need to distance M cars is very much a global decision. The M customer explains that there is not much variation. The M3/M4 and even M2 are the "wild cards"
They are more volume therefore they can still offer taboo features like a manual transmission. When the competition cannot.

It heralds an all new outlook to BMW M. Engineering,Performance and Design.
Enough with the nonsense about China. Especially when the US remains the largest M market.
I can sympathise in regards to the appearance. But I know that time will be its greatest ally and some of the detractors will come to eventually love it.

Apologize for not following this earlier. But you're saying this new grille is ///M only, not new language that will start being cascaded? Essentially, all the M Sports and ///M performance models don't look different enough, so they're making the actual ///M's more radical looking?

I'm ok with that in theory. But it doesn't need to be busy to be radically different. There are ways this type of grill can look good. Can only hope that's where they'll end up. It can still be evolutionary and radical at the same time.

I actually have a bigger issue with the lines changing like the 2GC than I do the IDEA of a full face grill. But also hate the renders and pictures of those grills so far. Can't just slap it on the existing front end and act like you've changed everything or that it works. Way too busy.

[Fhey]

Originally Posted by bartginger

I know nothing about this new front end and am very late to the party. I am not going to indicate whether I like or dislike it so I can get an "unbiased" answer to the following question.

If the new kidney grill was designed to allow for increased cooling, what happens to the effectiveness of said cooling when laws require that you install a number plate dead center of the new grill?

I'd say this would have been taken into consideration given that these cars are designed in Germany, which is a country where front number plates are mandatory.

[JTO24]

Originally Posted by bartginger

I know nothing about this new front end and am very late to the party. I am not going to indicate whether I like or dislike it so I can get an "unbiased" answer to the following question.

If the new kidney grill was designed to allow for increased cooling, what happens to the effectiveness of said cooling when laws require that you install a number plate dead center of the new grill?

If you take a look at the spied 4 series front end thread, you can see, similar to Audi, that while the overall grill is huge, the horizontal area in the grill where the license plate mounts is a hard point; a support beam for the front end. So while the overall aesthetic appears as two, giant, conjoined kidney grills, in reality the frontal grill area is still separated into four quadrants, bisected by the number plate support beam.

So while this big grill approach could allow for more airflow and cooling, I personally think it is for aesthetics mainly. Since there is still no airflow going through the grill at the horizontal number plate support beam, BMW could have designed the front end to have two smaller, traditional kidneys and one larger lower front intake a la e9x and f8x M cars.

EDIT: made a quick 'n dirty sketch to show what I'm talking about lol

[pyrat15]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

As I said previously what they say: The need to distance M cars is very much a global decision.

Scott, this is good news. BUT the easiest way to do this is to STOP putting M badges everywhere on NON-M models. What used to be a regular 335i is nowadays a ///M340i which is IMHO too close to the ///M3. Do you know how many morons are claiming that they are driving a "real M car"?

[FSHNGRY]

I still can't get over how ugly the front is. So disappointing the iconic kidney grille design is no longer standard. The rear of the new 3, both in person and in photos seems almost identical to the Lexus IS.

[xjz]

Well, I guess there's no denying it now. The original spy-shot vs. this latest render is almost spot-on. Sadly, the render looks slightly better then the actual spy-shot photo. At least the render has lesser of the dual-coffin grill.

[MUFCbmwbear]

Originally Posted by pyrat15

Scott, this is good news. BUT the easiest way to do this is to STOP putting M badges everywhere on NON-M models. What used to be a regular 335i is nowadays a ///M340i which is IMHO too close to the ///M3. Do you know how many morons are claiming that they are driving a "real M car"?

The non M car Mperformance models should get the is nomenclature.
340is
240is

[Alan l.]

[J-RO]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Will the answer make you feel generally excited? Emotional at an elevated level?
Or hateful with strong distaste? There is only one answer I can give.
Will you like it? Or despise it even more though?

As I said previously what they say: The need to distance M cars is very much a global decision. The M customer explains that there is not much variation. The M3/M4 and even M2 are the "wild cards"
They are more volume therefore they can still offer taboo features like a manual transmission. When the competition cannot.

It heralds an all new outlook to BMW M. Engineering,Performance and Design.
Enough with the nonsense about China. Especially when the US remains the largest M market.
I can sympathise in regards to the appearance. But I know that time will be its greatest ally and some of the detractors will come to eventually love it.

Well that really clears it up!

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by MUFCbmwbear

The non M car Mperformance models should get the is nomenclature.
340is
240is

While I agree, i honestly wish it was back to the days where the engine size was reflected in the nomenclature, and if a car shares the same engine with different outputs then use the "is" nomenclature.

For example:
X2 28i = X2 20i
X2 M35i = X2 20is
530i = 520i
540i = 530i
M550i = M544i (or M545i rounded up)

[xjz]

Apparently, this is The Creature from the Black Bavarian Lagoon.

Where/who will BMW pull their design inspiration from next?

[19x]

Buying a used F80 has never looked so promising.

[J-RO]

Originally Posted by pyrat15

Scott, this is good news. BUT the easiest way to do this is to STOP putting M badges everywhere on NON-M models. What used to be a regular 335i is nowadays a ///M340i which is IMHO too close to the ///M3. Do you know how many morons are claiming that they are driving a "real M car"?

I realize you are venting but unless he becomes the CEO your comments are falling on deaf ears.

[zipstic]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

As I said previously what they say: The need to distance M cars is very much a global decision. The M customer explains that there is not much variation. The M3/M4 and even M2 are the "wild cards"
They are more volume therefore they can still offer taboo features like a manual transmission. When the competition cannot.

SCOTT26 Does this mean there will be major styling differences between the next generation G42 220i/230i/M240i/M245i and the next generation G87 M2?

[Ghostriderf80]

Originally Posted by e90335e36m3

Ugly as shit up front, plain as sin in the rear.

Originally Posted by e90335e36m3

Ugly as shit up front, plain as sin in the rear.

992 is the answer w aero kit.

[Nahlem]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

The i4 Concept (Thinly disguised production model) debuts @ Geneva.

So we are gonna get a closer look on the i4? Will we get full spec release on both weight and such for the car and the exact or any price estimates i need to know if i am going to need to self one of my kidneys for the i4.

//Cheers