02-11-2019, 06:27 AM | #23 |
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I assume that means an 03/2020 SOP for the G80 M3 with cars arriving late April/early May.
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02-11-2019, 08:59 AM | #25 |
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I would too. If true, it looks like the G20 will be here about 1 year earlier than the "normal" 7-year cycle would dictate. Also, I assume BMWNA is going to call these 2021 M3s like they normally do with March SOP models.
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Can see no reason why the 2021 M3 couldnt go into production alongside the 2020 M340 and 330 next spring?? With all the testing going on and mules we have seen, the only reason for a delay i could see is if they decided to repeat the F80/F82 and have the M3 and M4 share a facia. In that case they wouldnt want the M3 to give away the 4/M4 before they are shown. |
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Choice (10) M8- should be available when your lease is up.
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I expect BMW AG is going to wait until the F33/83 EOP - 10/2020. Too many shared parts between the M3/M4, as an earlier G80 release would cannibalize F82/F83 and possibly X3M/X4M sales. The G80 is the lowest entry price point, by delaying market release, the built-up customer demand will justify MRSP pricing, similar to the M2. Cars.com lists new 579 M3's for sale and new 614 M4's for sale.
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I guess I am not arguing that delaying it to build demand isn't a legitimate strategy, I would argue it's probably not the right one anymore. Considering the number of mules we have seen testing so early and for so long car must be close to ready. |
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'Should i lease?'
Yikes, that's a no fam. After 2 lease cycles of a 328i you are already $5k poorer then the guy who bought and sold one, and that's assuming you're not over miles and the car is perfect. Buying new is actually cheaper assuming it doesn't depreciation bomb like an i3 for example and assuming you keep it for 5 years. Go buy a used 911 or used i8 or something fun and enjoy your extra money with some track days or a Miata or something. |
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That's why the M5 has a huge lease cost. If you buy the M5 and sell it in 5 years YOU WILL have more money than if you leased. Even if you financed. You eat the depreciation yes, but you then sell the car and have all that money back. With a lease you pay higher interests on the depreciation then let BMW sell the car and keep the rest. It's hilariously stupid financially. You really think BMW is letting you outsmart them? You ever watch BMW commercials? They always end it with LEASE NOW FOR $X99 a month. Wha-? Why not just market the MSRP is the vehicle? Could it be? They make more money off leases? So much in fact they can spend millions on advertising campaigns to encourage more people to lease? Well, no, you're probably right nm. I see that leases have a smaller monthly payment. You definitely outsmarted that company with record profits that pushes leases. Poor bastards got stuck with your car after the lease, and it depreciated more than a Camry! Imagine if they found a way to profit off of that depreciation? They could be rich! Anyway, I'm going to go sell my M5 for a lease on a new one. Wouldn't want to have to pay for a spark plug change out of pocket. BMWs are so unreliable defiantly lease them or you'll spend so much in repairs!! |
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Yeah leasing doesn't make sense unless the residuals are in the 60's and unfortunately the days of 62% to 64% seem to be over. I may continue to purchase some gently used M's moving forward. I'd never purchase a new M outright for that first 2-3 year depreciation hit.
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The 2018 M5 is more attractive as a lease than the 2019 M5. The 2019 M5 is best done as a purchase. Review the M3/M4 or M3 CS leases and you might come up with a better scenario for leasing. Of course, this is contingent on getting a new car in 3 years. M4 CS does not lease as well.
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I believe the M5 is down to 50% right now. I just looked into one and they are brutal to lease. Unless the 18 is 55%, which still sucks.
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