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Power... simply not good or impressive, this will be a massive downgrade from the m3 Chassis stability - not remotely close to the longer M3 suspension and body rigidity - felt like my 135 on koni yellows... the m3 feels like a racecar Low rent interior - not really a deal breaker Overall, I would say its simply an overhyped car, w decent weight and balance... Again, in no way did it feel better than my old bolt on 135i w suspension mods. Just in general, non impressive car... I urge you to drive an m240, bcuz its not that far... if manual and this weight / size interst you, then you may be happy w it but overall its a serious step down from an m3. Probaby the most overhyped bmw I have ever driven.
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Is this in a ZCP M3? If so I can probably understand that. I came from a 2015 M3 and found the M2 less floaty feeling than the M3, took corners better and put power to the ground easier. Yes the M3 had more power, but that was it, steering feel was better in the M2, felt more connected. Sound was also better in the M2. I went from my M3 to a 991.1 GTS, then to the M2. The M2 felt more agile and closer to the 911 than the M3 did being smaller and not feeling as boaty, so maybe that also affects my decision. The ZCP I hear fixed a lot of the issues so I can understand that probably being true though. I only drove a ZCP once on a test drive and I think it did put power down a bit better than non ZCP, but still felt large compared. |
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I know that was thrown around too - but I also remember a conversation where the size of the F6, plus plumbing for turbos, didn't fit in the 981 or 718 body styles. I will see if I can find it...
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Yes Andreas spoke about it in an interview with EVO i think. He said that F6 is producing a lot of heat as is (There was a joke about 981 being the best pizza delivery car on the 981 Chat forum, cause the trunk heats up a lot ) and cramming turbos there even with smaller bore would make it even worse. I think it's the biggest drawback of the mid engine layout - feeding air and dissipating heat.
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People who are saying this car will be $80K+ are on something. I remember early on when the engine application for the base M2 was still under speculation. People were saying if the M2 comes with the S55 it should be slotted around $60-63K, just under the M4. Now BMW adds a couple letters to the name and it is worth $80K? All while not having the bespoke M3/4 interior and less power? I don't get it. I guess BMW is just that good at marketing.
Closest German competitor will most likely be the TT-RS. That is daily-able sports car with a glorious 5-cyl, bespoke interior, digital dash, and nearly identical power for under $65K with a dual clutch already factored in. CS will most certainly be better on a circuit but 95%+ of their buyers will never see a track. Not to mention BMW already absorbed the R&D of many parts on this car from the siblings. If this car ends up being >$70K (ideally $65K), especially with a manual (won't buy without it), then BMW is overcharging for this car and I'm out. |
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I personally do not see how it would be priced at $62k-63k seeing how the Performance Edition M2 was priced and all that was a M2 stripped a few features and a couple M Performance goodies added.
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given all that i would assume it gets a similar percentage price hike to the M4CS over the regular M4 |
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To me... the Performance edition gets the better suspension, lesser stereo and single zone AC. The M2 CS will get the S55 motor.. on the STOCK suspension.. with the stock stereo, stock dual zone A/C probably, two new added colors.. and what else? I feel like the CS will be around 63-64K right where the ZL5 is (there is a reason that model tucked in under the M4).. Add in another $2900 for the DCT and it will be around $67K. . IFF BMW were to make an M2 GTS .. manual seats... single zone a/c... lower level radio..the ZL5 or M4 GTS suspension,. basically the ZL5 and add in the roll cage. and extinguisher . S55 with full water injection... and a big ass wing and more aero up front .. then I would think * that* vehicle would be around 75-80K. Last edited by M3 Adjuster; 08-24-2017 at 08:34 PM.. |
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ynguldyn Just to confirm,does your info show that the regular M2 will also change to the MY19 model year,when the M2 CS is released in March. |
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It all boils down to what type of agreements and deals they have with their supplier. The more they obviously buy the more cheaper. But also take into account of its something difficult to do or extremely rare that requires it leaves normal assembly process it will cost much more. I'll give an example and hopefully it makes sense. Parts in my plant that normally one would pay $100's thousands of dollars to replace at dealers are Relatively dirt cheap. I specialize in enclosures. Glass to be exact. Our 2 pane sound screen windshield with rain sensor bracket and mirror (high series) from PGW (supplier) literally costs $88 to scrap. Yes they break all the time. One of these will set you back $600-700 at the dealer. We buy so much it's just normal business (bulk). I see modules and parts get dropped that cost an arm and a leg and just get tagged for scrap. I don't think a red seat or saddle brown would be so out of the ordinary and hella expensive but would they do it is the question. Imo it wouldn't be difficult or more expensive but rather bmw just chose to only have 1 color to "be" sort of more simple or unique to a purist stand point.
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There's no way that it can cost 80K without changes in those departments. For example, there are quite a few changes in the ZCP on the F80/82 - and that's 5K. If BMW thinks they're going to command 10K more than a base M2 for the S55 and little else, then they're nuts.
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