[edycol]

Originally Posted by Emily172013

I didn't want to start a discussion and offend anyone. I'm certainly not a mechanical or petroleum engineer. You very well might be right, but it really comes down to listening to the manufactures of engines and petroleum products or a guy on the internet, doesn't it.

You can spend few hrs yourself reading, and you will be able to make educated decision. And I am talking literature available on internet.
You must take into consideration that oil choice for manufacturers first and foremost depends on how emissions are calculated. The US has CAFE which encourages use of thin oils. EU has different ways of calculating emissions, which is not dependent on thickness of oil as much. Hence, in Europe all these manufacturers recommend different oils with few exceptions.

[1WickedE90]

edycol Can I have your opinion on the following oils:

Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5W-30

Castrol EDGE Euro 5W-30 A3/B4

Valvoline European Vehicle Full Synthetic 5W-30

This is for an incoming 2022 330i - which would be the best oil to use?

[Bc2005]

One of the many reasons this discussion always gets confusing is that manufacturers may recommend different oil specs for cars in the US, Canada and Europe, even though they are the same car. My assumption is that means all of them are acceptable, but country-unique emissions or fuel economy standards are driving the recommendations. US specs for all manufacturers seem to be strongly influenced by CAFE standards.

[edycol]

Originally Posted by 1WickedE90

edycol Can I have your opinion on the following oils:

Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5W-30

Castrol EDGE Euro 5W-30 A3/B4

Valvoline European Vehicle Full Synthetic 5W-30

This is for an incoming 2022 330i - which would be the best oil to use?

Pennzoil Platinum Euro. It is more sophisticated oil.

[ultrared93]

Originally Posted by edycol

Pennzoil Platinum Euro. It is more sophisticated oil.

According to Pennzoil's US website, as far as 5W-30 viscosity is concerned, Platinum Euro meets the LL-01 standard, whereas the Platinum Euro L meets the LL-04 standard. It is not always clear which one is being referred to in various online discussions or offered for sale on the web.

[edycol]

Originally Posted by ultrared93

According to Pennzoil's US website, as far as 5W-30 viscosity is concerned, Platinum Euro meets the LL-01 standard, whereas the Platinum Euro L meets the LL-04 standard. It is not always clear which one is being referred to in various online discussions or offered for sale on the web.

That is good point and I was thinking same; is OP referring to LL01 or LL04?
Pennzoil has both in 5W30 grade, but LL01 is really hard to find. Considering that Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5W40 is very thin 40 oil, there is no point of looking for one.

[1WickedE90]

Originally Posted by ultrared93

According to Pennzoil's US website, as far as 5W-30 viscosity is concerned, Platinum Euro meets the LL-01 standard, whereas the Platinum Euro L meets the LL-04 standard. It is not always clear which one is being referred to in various online discussions or offered for sale on the web.

You're correct, looks like the local Walmart where I get my oil from only has the Platinum Euro L which is LL-04.

edycol does this work for B46 motor?

[edycol]

Originally Posted by 1WickedE90

You're correct, looks like the local Walmart where I get my oil from only has the Platinum Euro L which is LL-04.

edycol does this work for B46 motor?

Yes. Think of LL04 as thick LL17FE.

[aci4]

Originally Posted by edycol

Yes. Think of LL04 as thick LL17FE.

Hey edycol, I'm looking to do my first oil change myself on a used 2020 m340i that I purchased at 23k miles. I've been looking around online to see what people have been saying and I'm so confused lol

[edycol]

Originally Posted by aci4

Hey edycol, I'm looking to do my first oil change myself on a used 2020 m340i that I purchased at 23k miles. I've been looking around online to see what people have been saying and I'm so confused lol

Lol. Under warranty or not?

Warranty: LL17FE or if manual allows LL01FE, go that. Just get from local dealership or if LL01FE, go Motul Specific 5W30 LL01FE.

No warranty: any LL04 or LL01.
In Wal Mart you have Pennzoil Platinum Euro L 5W30. Change every 5 k.
Motul X-Clean+ 5W30 is super choice but available online!

LL01 is so called Full SAPS oil. Currently I would go Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5W40 (local Auto Zone could have deal) or Motul X-Cess 5W40 GEN2. But ANY approved LL01 will do it.

[aci4]

Originally Posted by edycol

Lol. Under warranty or not?

Warranty: LL17FE or if manual allows LL01FE, go that. Just get from local dealership or if LL01FE, go Motul Specific 5W30 LL01FE.

No warranty: any LL04 or LL01.
In Wal Mart you have Pennzoil Platinum Euro L 5W30. Change every 5 k.
Motul X-Clean+ 5W30 is super choice but available online!

LL01 is so called Full SAPS oil. Currently I would go Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5W40 (local Auto Zone could have deal) or Motul X-Cess 5W40 GEN2. But ANY approved LL01 will do it.

It's still under warranty for 2 more years but I plan to keep it well after 2 years. Should I just start using the LL04 and LL01 oils?

Also, what weight do you suggest? 0w20?

[edycol]

Originally Posted by aci4

It's still under warranty for 2 more years but I plan to keep it well after 2 years. Should I just start using the LL04 and LL01 oils?

Also, what weight do you suggest? 0w20?

LL01 and LL04 oils come only in 5W30 or 5W40 weight. That is bcs. Their minimum HTHS is 3.5. HTHS is actually what you should be interested in. It is resistance to temporary or permanent loss of viscosity. LL17FE is 0W20 oil with minimum HTHS of 2.6cp.
Higher HTHS=more protection. But, you don't want to go too crazy as higher HTHS=more resistance =lower mpg.
If manual mentions LL01 FE (FE=Fuel economy) use LL01 (without FE designation).
Generally LL04 is just low-SAPS version of LL01 (DPF/GPF compatible). It is thick version of LL17FE. Why BMW doesn't mention LL04 as option in manual in US, I don't know. In Europe B58 runs on LL04 not LL17FE.

[aci4]

Originally Posted by edycol

LL01 and LL04 oils come only in 5W30 or 5W40 weight. That is bcs. Their minimum HTHS is 3.5. HTHS is actually what you should be interested in. It is resistance to temporary or permanent loss of viscosity. LL17FE is 0W20 oil with minimum HTHS of 2.6cp.
Higher HTHS=more protection. But, you don't want to go too crazy as higher HTHS=more resistance =lower mpg.
If manual mentions LL01 FE (FE=Fuel economy) use LL01 (without FE designation).
Generally LL04 is just low-SAPS version of LL01 (DPF/GPF compatible). It is thick version of LL17FE. Why BMW doesn't mention LL04 as option in manual in US, I don't know. In Europe B58 runs on LL04 not LL17FE.

Thoughts on Liqui-Moly 5w-30 oil?

[edycol]

Originally Posted by aci4

Thoughts on Liqui-Moly 5w-30 oil?

Average. Better oils out there.
Pennzoil is good, Motul etc.
If you going LL01, go Motul X-Cess 5W40 GEN2, Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5W40.

[aci4]

Originally Posted by edycol

Average. Better oils out there.
Pennzoil is good, Motul etc.
If you going LL01, go Motul X-Cess 5W40 GEN2, Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5W40.

What about a 5w30 oil?

[edycol]

Originally Posted by aci4

What about a 5w30 oil?

As long as it carries LL01 it is fane. Approvals are what matters. Both 5W30 and 5W40 LL01 have minimum HTHS 3.5. That is what you want.
If you are not tracking vehicle, 5W30 would be excellent choice.

[whofelt]

Stick with 5w30

[edycol]

Originally Posted by whofelt

Stick with 5w30

Again, grade doesn't matter!

[edycol]

Originally Posted by OuterBanks

My thought is that it's not worth my time to change my own oil because of the cost of doing it myself is very close to what the dealer would charge. For example Bimmerworld charges $96.74 for an oil change kit with 6 qts of Red Line oil and Mahle filter, filter gasket and drain plug ring. GetBMWParts charges $121.10, (on sale for $96.00) for a genuine BMW oil change kit. Dealers near me regularly run oil change specials for around those same prices. I don't believe in waiting 10k miles for an oil change and had mine done at 5k. The dealer closest to me didn't have a sale going and I paid $159.84 out the door with taxes and all of the silly charges. I asked them not to reset the maintenance reminder and they didn't so the count down to my free 10k +/- service remains. I don't mind changing oil but I'm no longer setup with ramps and etc and honestly don't want to deal with collecting the oil and taking to recycling and etc. Now that I'm older I'd rather spend my car care time detailing my car. Just my 2 cents.

Oil change is super simple, as we all know. Botched oil change is super expensive. That is for me absolute MUST DIY.

[ey2001]

I just got an x6 2022 xdrive40 and trying to do the oil change. My n55 I use 5W40 Leichtlauf High Tech Engine Oil.. on the B58 engines I heard you need to use LL14FE oil. Is that correct?

[ey2001]

Or should you use 5W30 Special Tec LL Engine Oil

[hayko_M340]

Originally Posted by ey2001

I just got an x6 2022 xdrive40 and trying to do the oil change. My n55 I use 5W40 Leichtlauf High Tech Engine Oil.. on the B58 engines I heard you need to use LL14FE oil. Is that correct?

I've been running Liquimoly Leichtlauf 5w-40 last oil change, no complaints besides mpg dropping a bit which is to be expected with thicker viscosity. Prior to that used factory 0W-30. No oil burning issues, always comes out clean and full amount every oil change (5-7K intervals). It seemed to quiet things down as well especially cold start, now all I hear is injectors ticking which is normal on high pressure direct injectors.