[M3GymNut]

This kinda sucks, so if I get the 6MT its a detuned model which is roughly the same amount of power as an F80 comp? Why bother honestly? Sad day...

[ynguldyn]

OK let me make this whole thing a bit more precise.

Three M3 models:
- entry level M3 is targeting 450PS (444hp, not 454)
- "standard" M3 is 475hp (not PS - can we just all go to metric now please?)
- we won't need to wait for Competition in M4 - there will be M3 Competition too, with 500hp.

The suggestion that S58 will use water injection... Let's just pretend they never said that, OK?

One important bit about motors: the engine in the entry model is not just a different tune, it's a different engine level (think about the difference between 320i and 330i: same foundation, but plenty of different parts that make it impossible to turn 20i into 30i with just a chip).

[Mako]

Originally Posted by xlover

i hate these clown reports.... would much rather just consume the information from our insiders on the site (the accurate kind)

I cant see water injection on a regular production model happening, it would be absurd for a daily commuter to have to maintain a water tank. Even more so in below freezing weather it is disabled. Will probably appear again for the CS and CSL. We will learn the power of the new S58 when the MX3/MX4 full details are released.

Pretty sure "manual being on the entry version only and down on power" info has been around for a while. We do know that at some point there were 6MT/xdrive versions testing so if you want that combo... write BMW. Look at the M340, the USA is the only market getting RWD.

What I think is that "entry" nuance is getting crossed between different dialects and games of telephone as one writer copies info from another. My bet is there is not really a special manual only model, instead when you add up "less power, no competition level, no xdrive option, and none of the autonomous drive aid features will be available due to the manual" the 6MT itself limits the options, not BMW going out of their way to limit the manual model

I agree a lot of this can't be right

Intro date, this fall??? No way. Maybe next spring and M4 won't come out at same time since old 4 series still in production this year.

Power is higher than all previous reports of about 460. Although those were reports for X3/X4. It wouldn't be unheard of for BMW to give different power outputs to the same engine on different M cars but really would just piss off X3M buyers since their cars already have a weight disadvantage.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by stefan

And if it comes with navigation and goofy touchscreens, it's not Pure. Hoping to see those deleteable.

Live Dashboard will be standard on all versions.

[stefan]

Originally Posted by Law

Regarding infotainment, that ship already sailed with the E9x M3.
Luckily, those are still very affordable in the used market, but finding one sans iDrive and other creature comforts will be tougher.

Probably right. But... the way the screens are implemented suggests a blockoff plate should be so easy to do, even with a little stitching or something, then just don't install the module behind it and enjoy a 10lb+ savings and less distraction. Every BMW I've had with a touchscreen; I've both never touched the screen and almost never even looked at it, which puts it at odds with what it probably costs to put it in. These days the HUD/gauge pod is replicating the things you really need to see from the idrive screen.

It's not about finding one in the used market, it's about finding one that hasn't been molested and actually had proper maintenance done. If it were that simple I'd just have an E46 M3 again. But they're all bagged and behind on maintenance, even pricey ones. I've had 13 M cars, and I'm finally just exhausted when it comes to pouring 3-10K in right away to fix everything the PO neglected.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by Mako

Intro date, this fall??? No way. Maybe next spring and M4 won't come out at same time since old 4 series still in production this year.

Oh, yeah, this little nugget... The best they can do for September 2019 is a concept. Production M3s won't show up before late 2020.

[stefan]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

Live Dashboard will be standard on all versions.

Of course; but then is there a possibility that the auxiliary screen can be deleted in favour of running just the live dash?

[Transfer]

Originally Posted by M3GymNut

This kinda sucks, so if I get the 6MT its a detuned model which iw roughly the same amount of power as an F80 comp? Why bother honestly? Sad day honestly

Well if you believe the trolls, you'll have 200+ lbs weight savings so will negate the loss in power.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by stefan

Of course; but then is there a possibility that the auxiliary screen can be deleted in favour of running just the live dash?

There's one brain for both screens so you can only delete the screen itself - a relatively cheap and lightweight part.

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by stefan

Of course; but then is there a possibility that the auxiliary screen can be deleted in favour of running just the live dash?

Note that for US 718 T's, the radio delete available for ROW cars isn't possible because of the requirement of a back up camera for our market.

[Transfer]

Oh yeah backup camera. Ya'll are stuck with dash-pads.

[Motivate]

It's interesting to see that BMW doesn't have a manual box that can handle higher than 480 lb-ft.

Some people say the cars of today have too much power + torque and manual can't handle anymore. But then you look at the Corvette ZR1 755HP & 715 lb-ft with a manual.

That basically tells you BMW is not willing to spend anymore to develop one that can handle the power. So this gen will be the end of the line for manuals.

Also, what about tuning the manual? The owner would have to spend $ to upgrade the transmission also even with just a tune.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by stefan

"No 6 speed can handle more than 480lbft"

What? Someone should tell Cadillac, Ford, and Dodge.

And if it comes with navigation and goofy touchscreens, it's not Pure. Hoping to see those deleteable.

I want to know if the "M3 pure " will come in a 2 door only ..

[BMWDavid]

Instead the Pure versions (production name still tbc) will use a six-speed manual transmission, and their rear-wheel-drive layout will be complemented by a quicker-acting electronically controlled diff lock.

YES!! M still means a pure driving experience.

[mhjeep]

So the manual version not only is RWD only but also has less power? Somehow BMW can't make a manual nor DCT that can handle that much power even though Porsche can?

May as well give us an "updated" E30 manual and call it the M3 Classic.

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by Motivate

It's interesting to see that BMW doesn't have a manual box that can handle higher than 480 lb-ft.

Some people say the cars of today have too much power + torque and manual can't handle anymore. But then you look at the Corvette ZR1 755HP & 715 lb-ft with a manual.

That basically tells you BMW is not willing to spend anymore to develop one that can handle the power. So this gen will be the end of the line for manuals.

Also, what about tuning the manual? The owner would have to spend $ to upgrade the transmission also even with just a tune.

My daily Mk7 GTI has a stupidly weak clutch and tuning requires limited torque or a clutch upgrade. Much more is available for the DCT.

I'd imagine the G8x will be similar.

[6ixSpd]

Originally Posted by E9TOU

So it looks like the MT will only be available for the "base model" M3/M4. I don't know how I feel about that. It's great that an MT is even offered at all, but I generally like a good "all-around" car with upgraded speakers, and some nice options such as lights, comfort access, etc... Hopefully there will be options packages for the Pure model.

This. It likely also means no 6MT ZCP etc

[Germanauto]

Originally Posted by rjd598

This is incredible. You all still bitch and this is exactly what you wanted. Once again this forum never ceases to amaze.

It's not just this forum its the whole internet. Sites like C&D, Jalopnik, Reddit, etc. have even whinier commentators.

Only difference is that the dudes on those sites can't afford an M3 let alone a stripper 320i.

[Drj161]

The real question is whether the pure version will have a handbrake or not.

Man. I know the g80/2 will come with a lot of driving dynamic improvements but I love the current analog semi digital dash cluster and physical handbrake.

Not to mention a normal sized kidney grill. The g80/2 will most definitely have conjoined and over the hoodline kidney grill.

[Jayf30]

///MP3 .. lol

[phoenixbmwlife]

Originally Posted by Vectors2final

Those HP numbers with regards to the competition in the segment aren't going to get it done unless it goes on a massive diet.

65kg less weight for the standard version is a lot. Plus we all know BMW is going to underrate the hp figures. But in regards to the weight it will be much lighter than its competition.

[phoenixbmwlife]

Originally Posted by Paul-Bracq-BMW

From the Digital magazine, here's a higher resolution render plus article...

By the way "Pure" is already used here in Australia for pared-down versions of M cars, eg M2 Pure...

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Not much difference. But it does look very nice.