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View Poll Results: Winter Tire Preference
Blizzak BLIZZAKLM-32 2 5.71%
Pirelli Sottozero 3 12 34.29%
Michelin Pilot Alpin PA4 6 17.14%
Nokian Hakkapeliitta r3 5 14.29%
ContiWinterContact TS 830 P 3 8.57%
Yokohama IceGuard iG52c 1 2.86%
Toyo Tires OBSERVE GSI-6 HP 2 5.71%
Other.. 4 11.43%
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      11-15-2019, 04:53 PM   #1
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Post your Winter Tires Review for G20!

For those of us that have winter tire setup, how do you find your tires?

Any advantages or drawbacks between brands when equipped on your BMW G20?

Vote on your preference here!

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      11-15-2019, 05:59 PM   #2
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I've been using winter performance tires for 15 years in this order: Yokohama W.drive (garbage), Pirelli Sottozero II (all around average), Michelin Xice 3 (not a performance tires so bad handling, good winter traction), Michelin PA4 (superb but a little floaty), Pirelli Scorpion Winter SUV (a little stiff but overall excellent) and now Pirelli Sottozero 3. The jury is out on the current set but seems like they handle best of all in dry and are similar to the Scorpion Winter, which is basically the same tire. Need more cold, wet, and frozen conditions to establish a better opinion.
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      11-15-2019, 07:06 PM   #3
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You name it and I've had them. I've always come back to PA4's as my staple. One of the best dry performance winter tire, and respectable in the snow (not great). It really comes down to what you look for and need in a winter tire. In Toronto I'm driving 5 months of the year on winter tires so they better be good. I do mostly urban dry road mileage so I like to keep the performance level high and not feel like I'm wallowing all over the road.
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      11-15-2019, 08:56 PM   #4
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SottoZero3's here too. They are my first set of winter tires, so I can't compare to others. With only about 1,000 miles on them so far, I can't comment about wear either. But I have driven them on clear pavement ranging from +5F to 70F, on glare ice, and through about 4" of snow in my RWD M340i. I am exceedingly impressed.

They're definitely not as sharp as the stock Michelin PS4S's. But they're not too far off and are very quiet and comfortable tires. Above 50F they remind me of an old set of Continental DWS's that were good but needed a few extra psi to feel sharp. Below 50, they're great. And below 30, they handle nearly like the PS4S's. Still quiet and comfortable on a +5F morning.

Icy, compressed snow traction was decent. I enjoyed accelerating straight away from stoplights at 1/2 normal pace without a blip of traction control while SUV's in the lane next to me spin all four wheels, scrambling for traction. Drove around a sideways RWD pickup truck trying to get up an icy hill. Fun. Impressive braking too, since that morning most cars were ABS-stuttering to every stoplight.

Haven't done a ton of snow driving, but a few minutes of fun in our unplowed work parking lot after the 4" was great. Still easy to throw out the tail, but snaps back in line quickly when control is desired. Very nice.

So long as the tread life holds up across a couple of seasons, I'll be very happy. Not quite sure I need to replace the all-season's on my G01 X-drive, but it's tempting!
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      11-17-2019, 08:26 PM   #5
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I had Pirelli Sottozero 3 runflats on my previous car, a 2017 M240 xdrive and found that the treads do not last very long. I decided to go with the Toyos this time around. So far I have no complaints about the Toyos (it has only been 3 week).
Another positive note about the Toyos, they are cheaper than the Pirellis.
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      11-22-2019, 02:57 PM   #6
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Nokian Hakkas for me. Haven't put them onto the m340i in Boston yet but, they were excellent on my g35xS. Shouldn't be much different. They are better than the blizzaks in every way. Grip, smoothness, wear, etc. The most important factor is the side wall strength. Blizzaks would get bubbles on larger potholes up here in boston (most of our roads are all potholes). The nokian and michelin summer tires fight off damage much much better.
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I have possiblity to buy two complets of winter tyre with alloy.

first is 4x 225/45 18" Bridgestone Blizzak, second is 2x225/45 18" and 255/40 18" Pirelli Sottozero.

What would be best for M340i like winter tyre, is 4x225 under dimensioned?
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I have possiblity to buy two complets of winter tyre with alloy.

first is 4x 225/45 18" Bridgestone Blizzak, second is 2x225/45 18" and 255/40 18" Pirelli Sottozero.

What would be best for M340i like winter tyre, is 4x225 under dimensioned?
225 is too narrow for the car in my opinion. They manufacturer already downsizes the tread width by 15-20mm on winter tires. The leaves you with 200mm of rubber on the pavement subtract whatever the larger sips take away. This is great for snow grip but, terrible for pavement grip and wear. If you live in a place like Boston where the snow is bad for a day or two and then the roads are plowed to bare pavement almost right away, you want more dry grip. In Boston 98% of my winter miles are done on pavement so, more pavement grip is better for me.
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I have possiblity to buy two complets of winter tyre with alloy.

first is 4x 225/45 18" Bridgestone Blizzak, second is 2x225/45 18" and 255/40 18" Pirelli Sottozero.

What would be best for M340i like winter tyre, is 4x225 under dimensioned?
225 is too narrow for the car in my opinion. They manufacturer already downsizes the tread width by 15-20mm on winter tires. The leaves you with 200mm of rubber on the pavement subtract whatever the larger sips take away. This is great for snow grip but, terrible for pavement grip and wear. If you live in a place like Boston where the snow is bad for a day or two and then the roads are plowed to bare pavement almost right away, you want more dry grip. In Boston 98% of my winter miles are done on pavement so, more pavement grip is better for me.
I have Pirelli Sottozero 3, 225/45/18 winter all around. My summer set up is staggered 19" Michelin 4S. Besides the winter set up rear tires looking a bit narrow, they handle nice are smooth & quiet. No complaints.
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My top 3 winter tyres (non-RFT) based on test and reviews in Europe would be:

1) Bridgestone Blizzak LM005 (brand new tyre, better than the oooold LM32..., received "A" wet braking rating probably as the very first winter tyre ever).
2) Goodyear Ultra Grip Performance 9
3) Michelin Alpin 5

You have to be careful and go every time for the latest generation of those premium tyres as there are significant improvements between gens, like in cars.

On my shortlist was also Continental Winter Contact 870 P, but its release has been postponed due Covid. The 860 series is still good but the newer generations from the top competitors (e.g. the Bridgestone) are at lest according all the tests better.

And the Pirelli Sottozero? They didn't make it to top 10 in any test I've seen so far. And at least in 225/40/19 + 255/35/19 are available only with speed index H (up to 210 kmph). So the only reason why they are quite popular is they are offered for some reason as official winter sets from BMW ...

I went for 19" Bridgestone LM005,the same staggered setup as for summer. It's noticeable better ride than stock summer RFT Pirelli when it comes to comfort. But that was expected as the winter set is non-RFT. And I bought a second set of black 791M wheels.
And a small bonus which counts and is common for Bridgestone brand, the LM005 has nice rim protector (FR), definitely the most pronounced from the 3 tyres mentioned above.

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