[Tpriest7893]

Originally Posted by totalone

What do you mean flash back? there is nothing to flash with a piggy back

This entire post is talking about a dme product and product they have called flash abck where you can flash the dme back to the original state before you tuned the car. ( that would of solved your problem )
I figured you may of used it since you were commenting on this post. But I guess not lol.

[RTPenland]

Originally Posted by totalone

What do you mean flash back? there is nothing to flash with a piggy back

Sorry for the quote you likely already know this but maybe it will help someone else as we learn about this thing

If a car has been flagged like yours (bummer) then that ship has sailed however I think the piggyback application would be to make a back up of your DME, install the piggyback, and then prior to service or dealer visit remove your piggyback and "flashback" in turn mitigating your chances of getting flagged. This function does not require an unlock with the M-Link, at least that's what I gathered from the user manual. But still NOT for 21+ nothing works on M-Link 21+ meaning not even flashback without an unlock

Anyone if I've said anything wrong let me know and I will edit etc don't want to be spreading bad info

[PeterWT]

MissionPerformance
Will the (cheaper?) plastic version be worth the wait? What is the ETA?

[totalone]

Originally Posted by Tpriest7893

This entire post is talking about a dme product and product they have called flash abck where you can flash the dme back to the original state before you tuned the car. ( that would of solved your problem )
I figured you may of used it since you were commenting on this post. But I guess not lol.

I can't use it. My dme is locked. I'm on 2022. If I could easily unlock it, I'd be on proper tune. Most of us post 2021 having same issue. We can't tune can't unlock can't backup in states.

Also called them and co firmed that this is the case. No backing up for us post 2021

[totalone]

Originally Posted by RTPenland

Sorry for the quote you likely already know this but maybe it will help someone else as we learn about this thing

If a car has been flagged like yours (bummer) then that ship has sailed however I think the piggyback application would be to make a back up of your DME, install the piggyback, and then prior to service or dealer visit remove your piggyback and "flashback" in turn mitigating your chances of getting flagged. This function does not require an unlock with the M-Link, at least that's what I gathered from the user manual.

Anyone if I've said anything wrong let me know and I will edit etc don't want to be spreading bad info

I always thought that it is only possible with unlocked dme. Hmm...

Called them and confirmed, this is not possible for post 2021.

[Tpriest7893]

Originally Posted by totalone

I can't use it. My dme is locked. I'm on 2022. If I could easily unlock it, I'd be on proper tune. Most of us post 2021 having same issue. We can't tune can't unlock can't backup in states.

I gotcha but the flashback also works for piggy back according to there website

I am contemplating getting it becsuse I want to tune but I am also under warranty

[RTPenland]

Originally Posted by totalone

I always thought that it is only possible with unlocked dme. Hmm...

but still not for 21+ while a flashback for a piggyback user in this example does not need an unlock it will not work for 21+ cars sorry if I wasn't more clear

[MissionPerformance]

Apologies, been stuck at the office all day yesterday shipping out orders, however getting back to the boards to respond to a few missed questions. If we missed your product-related question, please just tag us or send PM. Or better yet email/call our office.

Originally Posted by PeterWT

MissionPerformance
Will the (cheaper?) plastic version be worth the wait? What is the ETA?

THe plastic model is coming soon, I would say within a week, or two tops. It won't look as nice, will be slightly cheaper, but offers the same identical functionality. Essentially, it will be the same version with identical firmware, just plastic.

Originally Posted by totalone

So.. there goes my question for everyone.
I took my car into service, obviously I removed my piggyback. Service was done, when I get home I take a look at the invoice and at the bottom of the page it says, "be ware car is tuned" remark on the invoice (I visited service due to belt tensioner).
Is it safe to say I am fully flagged and I pretty much ****ed, because even if I backup my DME the values has been already tempered with and BMW has detected it and it is not in their system, so even if I go to different service they will see this.

Sorry to hear that and it is very unfortunate. At this point, you are flagged internally on BMW's side. Aside from erasing your VIN from BMW's internal flagged database, there is zilch you can do. Doing any sort of backup (or even flashback if you had backup performed before the visit) will not help you as the flag is stored on the BMW's end.

Originally Posted by pdxdbo

As someone with a pre 6/20 G20 who doesn’t have a local bench unlock option this is GOLD.

Thank you, appreciate the kind words. As posted on every single social media, this is specifically for pre-21 vehicles and is designed for those customers who want to unlock or be able to truly back-up their DMEs without needing to send them out to shops and having downtimes for days.

Originally Posted by Z K

With this scenario, is there a way to remove the piggyback and "reset" the acceleration data so when it goes to BMW to not get flagged for PNP Variant?

i.e. Remove piggyback and drive 1000 miles without piggyback before going to BMW? I don't think BMW would store acceleration data forever in blackbox logs.

Please see above. Your VIN is stored internally in the BMW's Flagged database and nothing can be done.

Originally Posted by weinerbarn

I'm fairly certain a transfer license is necessary which allows a new vehicle to be paired. You save on having to buy another hardware device but it's probably about half the cost.

Correct. This week we will be adding a license transfer option to our site. This will allow for the "used" M-Link device to be unlinked from the initial vehicle and used on different vehicle. The concept behind this is to make M-Link as resellable as any other hardware performance part you see on the second-hand market, however, that is not an advisable option for customers that are looking to unlock multiple vehicles that they own. For those cases, I would suggest you reach out directly to us.

[Z K]

Originally Posted by MissionPerformance

Please see above. Your VIN is stored internally in the BMW's Flagged database and nothing can be done.

I mean prior to bringing the car to BMW and being flagged for PNP variant.

You mentioned it only gets flagged when BMW scans it? Or does it get flagged in the car's DME and then BMW gets it when they scan it?

Either way, they won't know anything until they plug into the car and load you into their database, right?

What about for smog purposes? California smog check also checks for tampered tuned cars by comparing ECU/DME checksum numbers against a database of known stock BMW checksum numbers. Will a unlocked and tuned DME trigger a car to not pass smog check? Also, does BMW share data with the state on flagged cars? This is a potentially more serious issue as BMW will deny warranty on a modified car but not passing smog check means you can not drive the car at all on public roads.

[MissionPerformance]

Originally Posted by Z K

I mean prior to bringing the car to BMW and being flagged for PNP variant.

You mentioned it only gets flagged when BMW scans it? Or does it get flagged in the car's DME and then BMW gets it when they scan it? Either way, they won't know anything until they plug into the car, right?

Oh apologies, didnt understand your question at first. As it sits now, BMW does not flag over telematics data and car can only be flagged by having it scanned/reported using ISTA at the dealer. So yes, performing a flashback to the pre-piggyback state will highly reduce the risks of being flagged.

[Z K]

Originally Posted by MissionPerformance

Oh apologies, didnt understand your question at first. As it sits now, BMW does not flag over telematics data and car can only be flagged by having it scanned/reported using ISTA at the dealer. So yes, performing a flashback to the pre-piggyback state will highly reduce the risks of being flagged.

Thank you for the good news!

Regarding the other part of the same question, if you have a piggyback, can it be removed and the car return to "pre-piggyback" state? Or is it now permanently flagged in the car and just waiting for BMW to find out with ISTA?

[MissionPerformance]

Missed that point. Yes, that is the beauty of flashback! As long as the car hasn’t been connected to the dealer network, you can remove piggyback, flashback, and go for service. Of course, if your MAP/waste gate connectors are all broken(physically), bmw can use that to flag you as well, but that is unrelated to black box data.

[BMWALG]

Originally Posted by totalone

So.. there goes my question for everyone.
I took my car into service, obviously I removed my piggyback. Service was done, when I get home I take a look at the invoice and at the bottom of the page it says, "be ware car is tuned" remark on the invoice (I visited service due to belt tensioner).
Is it safe to say I am fully flagged and I pretty much ****ed, because even if I backup my DME the values has been already tempered with and BMW has detected it and it is not in their system, so even if I go to different service they will see this.

Send me your vin via PM and I can check if you're flagged.

[BMWnation]

[QUOTE=totalone;30380050]What do you mean flash back? there is nothing to flash with a piggy back

What piggy-back you were running?

[totalone]

[QUOTE=BMWnation;30382877]

Originally Posted by totalone

What do you mean flash back? there is nothing to flash with a piggy back

What piggy-back you were running?

JB4

[kyippee]

Originally Posted by MissionPerformance

Missed that point. Yes, that is the beauty of flashback! As long as the car hasn’t been connected to the dealer network, you can remove piggyback, flashback, and go for service. Of course, if your MAP/waste gate connectors are all broken(physically), bmw can use that to flag you as well, but that is unrelated to black box data.

I'm curious - my car has not been to a dealer since I flashed a tune. Recently removed the tune, and went back to stock map. Is there any way to erase potential flags, so that I have a "clean" slate for doing the "flashback" in the future? Or is it too late, since it's been tuned before?

I've thought about having someone update my software (outside of a dealership) but don't know if that'll clear logs.

[MissionPerformance]

Unfortuanlty, flashing to stock using OBD only restores partial memeory, and does nothing for the “blackbox” sectors, where you performance data is stored actually. Even with stock flash, when you go to dealer, there will be a minimum of internal flag after initial scan done by ista. It is 50/50 on weather or not your invoice will say “flagged” as user mentioned before, but internally you wil be flagged. And since you don’t have image of your DME before flashing, there is nothing that can be done just yet.
However, in our upcoming M-link updates, we will will be introducing Flashback Pro feature that will “virginize” the blackbox data even though you have been tuned before. The only limitation there is that you must have never taken the car to dealer after performing flash/piggyback and before doing the flashback pro. (If internal flag is set, nothing can be done, period). More on this wil be discussed in the upcoming months, however you might benefit from that feature.
In your current case, I would recommend having your firmware updated outside of dealer or just doing OTA update if available.

[apwm340i]

Is there going to be any videos showing this tool being used?

Or any updates from the mission performance YouTube channel?

[Hydrid]

Quick question regarding the section where you specify that the unlocks are limited to “a single vehicle”, i currently have 2 vehicles a 2019 330i and a 2020 m340i, my 340 is currently down getting some mods put on and a pure 800 so it’ll be down for sometime. I was planning on unlocking and tuning the 330i in a meantime, but is there a way for me to swap the car from the 330i to the m340i? Is it similar to the cobb days where you had to marry the device to the vehicle? or how does that work?

[MissionPerformance]

Originally Posted by apwm340i

Is there going to be any videos showing this tool being used?

Or any updates from the mission performance YouTube channel?

The tool was created to be as simple as possible to use (once connected, can be unlocked with 2 button presses) so no video is in the works, however, if we have downtime in the near future, we might create one.

Originally Posted by Hydrid

Quick question regarding the section where you specify that the unlocks are limited to “a single vehicle”, i currently have 2 vehicles a 2019 330i and a 2020 m340i, my 340 is currently down getting some mods put on and a pure 800 so it’ll be down for sometime. I was planning on unlocking and tuning the 330i in a meantime, but is there a way for me to swap the car from the 330i to the m340i? Is it similar to the cobb days where you had to marry the device to the vehicle? or how does that work?

The device is married to the vehicle once used. We will create a new product on the site for the license transfer that will allow you to use it on one vehicle, then purchase and use the license transfer to fully reset the M-Link and be able to use it on the next vehicle of your choice. That is intended for M-link resale (secondhand market) however can be used for your case.

[weinerbarn]

I see a lot of value in being able to purchase multiple licenses (stacking) and being able to use the unit on multiple vehicles. I personally am less worried about the onboard backup of the files if I can just store them offline and copy back if/when I need to restore. The concept of the unit being "mated" to a vehicle has less value to me personally as I own multiple BMW vehicles supported by this tool. Storing multiple devices and then having to keep track of which one is for which vehicle is sort of clumsy. Looking forward to getting mine and using it though.

[MissionPerformance]

Originally Posted by weinerbarn

I see a lot of value in being able to purchase multiple licenses (stacking) and being able to use the unit on multiple vehicles. I personally am less worried about the onboard backup of the files if I can just store them offline and copy back if/when I need to restore. The concept of the unit being "mated" to a vehicle has less value to me personally as I own multiple BMW vehicles supported by this tool. Storing multiple devices and then having to keep track of which one is for which vehicle is sort of clumsy. Looking forward to getting mine and using it though.

Appreciate that input, and we will respond to your email tomorrow as we have been slamming shipping orders out. However, very much see your point and that is actually on our development agenda for next week. The way it currently sits, the multi-license devices are reserved for our dealers (upto 65,535 licenses per M-Link). That sacrifices the onboard storage of course (not a big deal), however, that design loses the forced initial backup function, which we use as a failsafe precaution to ensure that the user indeed performed a backup before doing an unlock. So some decisions will need to be made on the best approach for this.