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So it looks like the MT will only be available for the "base model" M3/M4. I don't know how I feel about that. It's great that an MT is even offered at all, but I generally like a good "all-around" car with upgraded speakers, and some nice options such as lights, comfort access, etc... Hopefully there will be options packages for the Pure model.
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So is that 6MT limited to 480Q or will it have some room to handle the engine mods you know people will want to do?
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01-18-2019, 11:09 AM | #32 | |
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Personally, my F83 ZCP has a stage 2 tune over 515 HP/500 torque, even with the GTS DCT software, the DCT is so jerky in gears 1-3– that I'm looking forward to the G83 ZCP AT MxDrive, but will probably lease the M8 coupe in between M4 verts.
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Assuming that's the RWD version the AWD won't be more than 3800 lbs (modern AWD parts add less than 200 lbs) which is lighter than all competition. I was pretty set on a X3M but with this news and possibly a M4 GC with AWD I will probably keep my F80 a couple more years (2016 with only 18,000 miles) |
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01-18-2019, 11:11 AM | #34 |
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Must be the reason that the 6MT 911 Turbos are RWD. Or the reason that the 6MT Gallardo's were RWD too. Maybe the same applies to the R8-10's with the gate.
I dunno, seems to me that there's a vacant spot in the AWD Manual sedan market that's been wide open since the departure of the S4 6MT's. I am one of those who would love to see it filled, and would as history dictates, vote that choice with my wallet - if only I were given that option.
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My personal record with factory BMW clutches is stock E90 328i with destroyed clutch after letting 1 friend borrow my car (major thank you to BMW for covering this under the free maintenance, I NEVER would have expected that but it was extremely nice of them), E82 135i running 420+ ft/lbs for 45,000 miles with zero slip, E92 M3 supercharged w/ around 400-420 ft/lbs of torque with zero slip (tons of drag launches, multiple track days, etc), and now my current F80 M3 makes well over 500 ft/lbs of torque and the clutch is having zero issues. Quote:
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01-18-2019, 11:18 AM | #37 |
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This will upset the strippers around here, as the Pure version will be detuned— be interesting how many of the dying 6MT enthusiasts order the 8AT/MxDrive.
Tuner beware, a BMW NA Field Tech personally informed me a few months ago that BMW AG is onto the flash tunes that detection software for tunes is being installed into the DME's for the current engines, as there have been way too many warranty claims as it has been suspected tunes have caused the issue— will be easier to decline claims. I'll will not flash tuning in the future. There is zero market for a wagon M3, the upcoming X3M will fill this niche. Just pipe dreams.
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because lease car.. what was the last AWD BMW that had a manual transmission... the 318ix ... ? 335 ix.. ? both cool cars but the differential location and placement and sizing and packaging... etc.. |
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01-18-2019, 11:29 AM | #39 |
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i hate these clown reports.... would much rather just consume the information from our insiders on the site (the accurate kind)
I cant see water injection on a regular production model happening, it would be absurd for a daily commuter to have to maintain a water tank. Even more so in below freezing weather it is disabled. Will probably appear again for the CS and CSL. We will learn the power of the new S58 when the MX3/MX4 full details are released. Pretty sure "manual being on the entry version only and down on power" info has been around for a while. We do know that at some point there were 6MT/xdrive versions testing so if you want that combo... write BMW. Look at the M340, the USA is the only market getting RWD. What I think is that "entry" nuance is getting crossed between different dialects and games of telephone as one writer copies info from another. My bet is there is not really a special manual only model, instead when you add up "less power, no competition level, no xdrive option, and none of the autonomous drive aid features will be available due to the manual" the 6MT itself limits the options, not BMW going out of their way to limit the manual model |
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"No 6 speed can handle more than 480lbft"
What? Someone should tell Cadillac, Ford, and Dodge. And if it comes with navigation and goofy touchscreens, it's not Pure. Hoping to see those deleteable.
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01-18-2019, 11:36 AM | #42 | |
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I had a 335 x-drive with a 6MT and did a couple of high rpm launches at the drag strip. Could not imagine doing that too often. |
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BMW just doesn't want to go "all-in" so-to-speak with the manual transmission anymore. Of course it's possible to develop manuals that can handle for than 480 lb/ft so it's not a matter of technical [im]possibility, but a matter of BMW's lack of interest to develop one. Regarding infotainment, that ship already sailed with the E9x M3. Luckily, those are still very affordable in the used market, but finding one sans iDrive and other creature comforts will be tougher. Even the F82 M4 GTS had an iDrive screen, so if that's any indication, even more 'hardcore' G8x M3/M4s down the road will probably not shed the infotainment screen.
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I'll take that non-comp M xDrive 8AT (surely just as good as DCT) in 2 or 4 door guise thank you very much. Seriously thinking about ED in 2021!
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