[wknddrivr]

Originally Posted by deoxys

In comfort mode, M340i has much heavier steering than 330i M-Sport. In sport mode I feel like it's still M340i is heavier.

Maybe because the M340 has a slightly front weight bias vs. the 330.

Did you notice any difference in feel, or was weight really the only difference?

[Fuller]

Originally Posted by MT4life

Why does it hav to be a Chevy? I already have a car with all those items minus quad exhaust. We’ll see what M3 Pure looks like otherwise I’m happy driving mine

The Chevy ss was a no frills sedan that came with all the items you claim to value, and as a bonus, it has a good old school v8 that sounds great. Plus, it was branded a Chevy when sold here, but it was actually a Holden commodore, manufactured in Australia. There are some GM parts of course, but it didn't feel like a typical Chevy.

Other than niche cars, modern luxury cars are going in a different direction than what you seem to want in a car. The g80 m3 pure might be an exception for now.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by Fuller

The Chevy ss was a no frills sedan that came with all the items you claim to value, and as a bonus, it has a good old school v8 that sounds great. Plus, it was branded a Chevy when sold here, but it was actually a Holden commodore, manufactured in Australia. There are some GM parts of course, but it didn't feel like a typical Chevy.

Other than niche cars, modern luxury cars are going in a different direction than what you seem to want in a car. The g80 m3 pure might be an exception for now.

SS was a pretty cool car I must say, and I usually don't like any chevy's, even the camaro. Only thing that sucks is Chevy's stupid "Skip Shift" which forces you to shift into higher gears to be more economical, its a damn sports sedan! Luckily coding can fix that.

[trey100]

Originally Posted by MT4life

I really hope M3 Pure will have an option of normal gauges. I can't stand that digital layout in G20.

I'm with you on this. I don't see the attraction to the all digital tach. I found myself very distracted with all the lights and maps (dash, screen, and HUD). I'm sure once you get accustomed to it, it is fine.

[clee1982]

Originally Posted by trey100

I'm with you on this. I don't see the attraction to the all digital tach. I found myself very distracted with all the lights and maps (dash, screen, and HUD). I'm sure once you get accustomed to it, it is fine.

Do you have HUD in your current car? I hardly look at the dash with HUD, so busy or not busy dash was no issue, and relative to MB/Audi, BMW dash is pretty clean

[trey100]

Originally Posted by clee1982

Do you have HUD in your current car? I hardly look at the dash with HUD, so busy or not busy dash was no issue, and relative to MB/Audi, BMW dash is pretty clean

I have HUD on my F80 and love it. The dash on the G20 has lots of digital lights and a map in between. It's distracting. Whereas in the F80 I use the HUD for speed and Nav.

[deoxys]

Originally Posted by ssquared

Maybe because the M340 has a slightly front weight bias vs. the 330.

Did you notice any difference in feel, or was weight really the only difference?

Most of the roads I test drove was highway... but when I parked that 330i M-sport (without track handling pkg), I felt the steering is very light (compared to my F30 non-M-Sport 328i). Don't know if it's because of the variable steering. Also maybe because that 330i was in comfort mode? Sport mode might be better? When I test drove 330 I made few turns so my opinion might not be true.

[wknddrivr]

Originally Posted by deoxys

Most of the roads I test drove was highway... but when I parked that 330i M-sport (without track handling pkg), I felt the steering is very light (compared to my F30 non-M-Sport 328i). Don't know if it's because of the variable steering. Also maybe because that 330i was in comfort mode? Sport mode might be better? When I test drove 330 I made few turns so my opinion might not be true.

Appreciate the feedback I haven’t tested either yet but I’m torn. I don’t need the power of the 340 because I live in LA so it’s pointless but I like the refinement of the in-line 6. I also like the manual enough to consider going to m3 but all I really want is a 330 m sport with manual. Obviously that’s not going to happen.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by ssquared

Appreciate the feedback I haven’t tested either yet but I’m torn. I don’t need the power of the 340 because I live in LA so it’s pointless but I like the refinement of the in-line 6. I also like the manual enough to consider going to m3 but all I really want is a 330 m sport with manual. Obviously that’s not going to happen.

If you don't need 4 doors there's always a 230 and 240 with a stick (they'll just be hard to find) or an F30 if you don't mind sacrificing for older tech and style.

[x986]

It's taken my three days to get to the bottom of this thread, and I didn't want to make any comments until I got here so I wouldn't ask the same question that was just posted 'yesterday'.

I turned in me leased '16 340 at the end of Feb, and have been looking for a daily driver since December or so. The only one I have actually driven is the Audi S5. I thought it was a "nice" car, but with a small "n". When I got in my 340 to drive home, I thought, "This may be three years older, but it is a better car." I know the dimensions of the 330/340 are not that much bigger, but I have been wishing for the same or smaller.

'josh' is the only person here who has even mentioned the Genesis G70. Anyone else at least interested? Has anyone here ever tried one? Everyone on the Genesis board loves them, but do any of them have experience in a car handles well, or better? Like a P-car or a bimmer? FWIW, I just picked up a used Porsche Cayman S as an interim daily driver so I'm not too desperate for a d.d., but I will want something in the next few months. Like all of you here, I'm 'in the hunt.'

'

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by x986

It's taken my three days to get to the bottom of this thread, and I didn't want to make any comments until I got here so I wouldn't ask the same question that was just posted 'yesterday'.

I turned in me leased '16 340 at the end of Feb, and have been looking for a daily driver since December or so. The only one I have actually driven is the Audi S5. I thought it was a "nice" car, but with a small "n". When I got in my 340 to drive home, I thought, "This may be three years older, but it is a better car." I know the dimensions of the 330/340 are not that much bigger, but I have been wishing for the same or smaller.

'josh' is the only person here who has even mentioned the Genesis G70. Anyone else at least interested? Has anyone here ever tried one? Everyone on the Genesis board loves them, but do any of them have experience in a car handles well, or better? Like a P-car or a bimmer? FWIW, I just picked up a used Porsche Cayman S as an interim daily driver so I'm not too desperate for a d.d., but I will want something in the next few months. Like all of you here, I'm 'in the hunt.'

'

Regarding your later question, I too wondered that. When I was on the Genesis forums I found a thread on their where owners stated their previous vehicles. I don't have the link but I'm sure some digging can find it. A fair amount were mainly BMW and Infiniti (mainly E90/F30 and G37/Q50), as well as some mainstream brands like Hyundai, Honda and Toyota. There was also some lexus's and a few Audi's but rarely any Mercedes. I'm sure you can find it somewhere, I believe they also have a "reviews" sub-thread in which some owners detail their experiences comparing the Genesis with another vehicle, and I believe there's also a thread comparing the M235/240 to the G70.

Wife is making the final call on her next car, sometime towards the end of summer but she's down to either an M340i xDrive or a G70 3.3T AWD, she's very tempted by the $12k gap in pricing, optional ventilated seats (she loves them in the boxster and cla especially since its getting hot) and she found some of the interior materials better in some places (knee rest/lower dash are soft touch and stitched in comparison to hard touch plastics in G20), we're also waiting to see if any of the kinks and problems with iDrive 7 will be fixed over time as well as the over obtrusive lane departure system.

[shawntech]

I just drove a lower MSRP M340i, 60k... I own a 2016 340i xdrive msport with adaptive and most options.

Eh, it's not 10% better like the pricing suggests i'm not sure it's 1% better.... it certainly isn't worse but I don't feel like I want/need it like I did when the B58 debuted.

The power is similar to a JB4 B58, which is nice and road noise through the floor is improved... but it still has those cheap fuyao side windows and wind noise on the glass. HUD is slightly better, remote start is nice or whatever, display is nicer but it doesn't make me dislike mine. The digital instrument cluster isn't a must for me, kind of like analog gauges. Steering wheel doesn't feel as cushy and premium as the one in my 16, transmission identical... virtually ZERO pops or overrun noises in sport/sport+ though... thought that was weird.

Everyone will have an opinion but i'm going to check the segment much more closely as my lease draws to a close, even at 10% under MSRP and minus incentives it's not worth it to me.

[BigSky702]

Originally Posted by ls3c6

I just drove a lower MSRP M340i, 60k... I own a 2016 340i xdrive msport with adaptive and most options.

Eh, it's not 10% better like the pricing suggests i'm not sure it's 1% better.... it certainly isn't worse but I don't feel like I want/need it like I did when the B58 debuted.

The power is similar to a JB4 B58, which is nice and road noise through the floor is improved... but it still has those cheap fuyao side windows and wind noise on the glass. HUD is slightly better, remote start is nice or whatever, display is nicer but it doesn't make me dislike mine. The digital instrument cluster isn't a must for me, kind of like analog gauges. Steering wheel doesn't feel as cushy and premium as the one in my 16, transmission identical... virtually ZERO pops or overrun noises in sport/sport+ though... thought that was weird.

Everyone will have an opinion but i'm going to check the segment much more closely as my lease draws to a close, even at 10% under MSRP and minus incentives it's not worth it to me.

Interesting assessment. The G20 HUD compared to the F82 (I would speculate the F30 is the same) is very sharp and more vibrant, and considerably larger. As far as the pops/overrun it's nonstop for me in sports/sport+.

I'm curious what options that M340 had, it's pretty much base level pricing.

I wonder what's causing the discrepancy with exhaust note.. :

Have you considered the C43??

[MT4life]

Originally Posted by joshuastein55

Regarding your later question, I too wondered that. When I was on the Genesis forums I found a thread on their where owners stated their previous vehicles. I don't have the link but I'm sure some digging can find it. A fair amount were mainly BMW and Infiniti (mainly E90/F30 and G37/Q50), as well as some mainstream brands like Hyundai, Honda and Toyota. There was also some lexus's and a few Audi's but rarely any Mercedes. I'm sure you can find it somewhere, I believe they also have a "reviews" sub-thread in which some owners detail their experiences comparing the Genesis with another vehicle, and I believe there's also a thread comparing the M235/240 to the G70.

Wife is making the final call on her next car, sometime towards the end of summer but she's down to either an M340i xDrive or a G70 3.3T AWD, she's very tempted by the $12k gap in pricing, optional ventilated seats (she loves them in the boxster and cla especially since its getting hot) and she found some of the interior materials better in some places (knee rest/lower dash are soft touch and stitched in comparison to hard touch plastics in G20), we're also waiting to see if any of the kinks and problems with iDrive 7 will be fixed over time as well as the over obtrusive lane departure system.

I think you’re getting a Hyundai. If you’re operating with what’s got more features or better bang for the buck, BMW is not it.

[DocB]

Originally Posted by ls3c6

I just drove a lower MSRP M340i, 60k... I own a 2016 340i xdrive msport with adaptive and most options.

Eh, it's not 10% better like the pricing suggests i'm not sure it's 1% better.... it certainly isn't worse but I don't feel like I want/need it like I did when the B58 debuted.

The power is similar to a JB4 B58, which is nice and road noise through the floor is improved... but it still has those cheap fuyao side windows and wind noise on the glass. HUD is slightly better, remote start is nice or whatever, display is nicer but it doesn't make me dislike mine. The digital instrument cluster isn't a must for me, kind of like analog gauges. Steering wheel doesn't feel as cushy and premium as the one in my 16, transmission identical... virtually ZERO pops or overrun noises in sport/sport+ though... thought that was weird.

Everyone will have an opinion but i'm going to check the segment much more closely as my lease draws to a close, even at 10% under MSRP and minus incentives it's not worth it to me.

"Nice or whatever". "1% better "

Sounds like sour grapes to me.

[jtuds]

I got invited to my local dealer’s 3 series launch event and I went with no intention of buying anything but I haven’t really paid attention to BMW lately and didn’t even know the new 3 was coming out so I figured I’d check it out. I ended up driving a M340i because I was intrigued by that standard 383hp. I did ED on a 335i rwd back in 2013 and ended up putting a Dinan Stage 2 package in it which got it up to 400hp.

My takeaway is that this new 3 seems bigger and heavier and I don’t know what BMW plans to do for people who want a true sport sedan that’s the size a 3 series has always been.

The power is good off the line, better than my car, which has always had a bit of turbo lag, but the Dinan Stage 2 gives my car the edge in the mid-range. If your going to the track, mine is preferable.

Steering wise, there’s no substantial difference in road feel between the new 3 and the f30. Let’s be honest, going to electronic steering was a change BMW made that was going to have a permanent impact on the feel of the steering and there’s really no way to replicate that mechanical feel.

[BigSky702]

Originally Posted by jtuds

I got invited to my local dealer’s 3 series launch event and I went with no intention of buying anything but I haven’t really paid attention to BMW lately and didn’t even know the new 3 was coming out so I figured I’d check it out. I ended up driving a M340i because I was intrigued by that standard 383hp. I did ED on a 335i rwd back in 2013 and ended up putting a Dinan Stage 2 package in it which got it up to 400hp.

My takeaway is that this new 3 seems bigger and heavier and I don’t know what BMW plans to do for people who want a true sport sedan that’s the size a 3 series has always been.

The power is good off the line, better than my car, which has always had a bit of turbo lag, but the Dinan Stage 2 gives my car the edge in the mid-range. If your going to the track, mine is preferable.

Steering wise, there’s no substantial difference in road feel between the new 3 and the f30. Let’s be honest, going to electronic steering was a change BMW made that was going to have a permanent impact on the feel of the steering and there’s really no way to replicate that mechanical feel.

Soooooo you're saying a DINAN stage1 or 2 in an M340 would sway the advantage back to the G20??

[ar2020]

Originally Posted by DocB

"Nice or whatever". "1% better "

Sounds like sour grapes to me.

Meh I just ignore all the haters. Lately you see it all the time when a brand new model comes out. People complain and complain how the previous model was better. Similar to the "it's a Lexus" feedback this car is getting I remember when the current C class came out. People couldn't get past the tail lights design but to me it's aged very nicely. The latest Honda Accord everyone says how the old model looked better. I saw an F30 today and it definitely looks like the outdated older model compared to a G20.

[shawntech]

Originally Posted by ar2020

Meh I just ignore all the haters. Lately you see it all the time when a brand new model comes out. People complain and complain how the previous model was better. Similar to the "it's a Lexus" feedback this car is getting I remember when the current C class came out. People couldn't get past the tail lights design but to me it's aged very nicely. The latest Honda Accord everyone says how the old model looked better. I saw an F30 today and it definitely looks like the outdated older model compared to a G20.

Jeez, sour grapes? Hater?

My 340i is my daily/winter car, I didn't say the old one was better... but my opinion is the new one doesn't come close to demanding the 10% increase in price vs same equipment in my F30.

Sedan sales are poor and the segment is crowded, I stand by my opinion and vote with my wallet.

I still want an AWD luke warm performance sedan for my daily so I will continue to compare competitors and likely buy something else unless at lease end here soon a G20 is more heavily incentivized.

[shawntech]

Originally Posted by jtuds

I got invited to my local dealer’s 3 series launch event and I went with no intention of buying anything but I haven’t really paid attention to BMW lately and didn’t even know the new 3 was coming out so I figured I’d check it out. I ended up driving a M340i because I was intrigued by that standard 383hp. I did ED on a 335i rwd back in 2013 and ended up putting a Dinan Stage 2 package in it which got it up to 400hp.

My takeaway is that this new 3 seems bigger and heavier and I don’t know what BMW plans to do for people who want a true sport sedan that’s the size a 3 series has always been.

The power is good off the line, better than my car, which has always had a bit of turbo lag, but the Dinan Stage 2 gives my car the edge in the mid-range. If your going to the track, mine is preferable.

Steering wise, there’s no substantial difference in road feel between the new 3 and the f30. Let’s be honest, going to electronic steering was a change BMW made that was going to have a permanent impact on the feel of the steering and there’s really no way to replicate that mechanical feel.

Yea heh salesman was like notice how the steering is better? I said honestly it might be a little less dead on center but negligible.

I appreciate the hydraulic steering in my charger hellcat more and more each passing day.

[Roukan]

Originally Posted by ssquared

Maybe because the M340 has a slightly front weight bias vs. the 330.

Did you notice any difference in feel, or was weight really the only difference?

It is not the weight of the car. The steering in the 340 vs 330 is fundamentally different. After reading the C&D article I thought it was going to be the opposite, but the 340 steering was better than the 330's and is the best BMW EPS I have ever tested. The only car that had better EPS that I have tried was a 2015 911 Carrerra 4.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by Roukan

It is not the weight of the car. The steering in the 340 vs 330 is fundamentally different. After reading the C&D article I thought it was going to be the opposite, but the 340 steering was better than the 330's and is the best BMW EPS I have ever tested. The only car that had better EPS that I have tried was a 2015 911 Carrerra 4.

I thought the 330i would have better steering due to less nose heavy weight and a new steering rack compared to the M340's tuned F30 rack?