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      07-08-2019, 11:47 AM   #23
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I guess I should have backed up my observation adding that while I do see mostly 3 pedal cars, very few are spec'd to the enthusiast level. Most F chassis cars here are diesel with at the very best the m sport package.

I rarely see a petrol, turbo cars here since Italy taxes based on output and CC's. An actual ///M car here is more rare than a Ferrari or Maserati.
Here in the UK many of the BMW models now only come with AT. All the bigger diesel outputs dropped MT a few years back. Plus most of the 6-cylinder petrol models. Something as common as the 3.0d (330/430d, etc.) has been AT throughout the F3x builds. E9x 3.0d models were the last to have MT and AT available.

Now we are in a period where many models, diesel and petrol, are only available with xDrive and AT.
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      07-08-2019, 02:46 PM   #24
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It started years ago. F10 M5 was not available with MT in the UK. No, not even an option.
Ugh, it just makes me sad. Not to mention the emissions regulations that are coming from Sweden, Denmark and I think Norway? I remember in a training I went to about two months ago for BMW, I wish I had gotten the citation, but apparently the production of new combustion engines is going to be outlawed, or something to that effect in those countries, I think starting around the 2030 year. Just sucks all the way around for those of us who like to have a connected feel to our drive.
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      07-08-2019, 05:10 PM   #25
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It started years ago. F10 M5 was not available with MT in the UK. No, not even an option.
Wasn't this the case with the E60 M5 as well? Everywhere except the US.
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      07-08-2019, 05:19 PM   #26
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I really just want a new gen 4 series Gran Coupe M440I or a M4 Gran Coupe
me too, but we won't see the 4x GC in NA until July 2021 or later...
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me too, but we won't see the 4x GC in NA until July 2021 or later...
I'm just not sure how to hold off until then. I'm already extending my current lease a couple months, and I would hate to get stuck in something for 3 years that I'm not wild about.
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I'm just not sure how to hold off until then. I'm already extending my current lease a couple months, and I would hate to get stuck in something for 3 years that I'm not wild about.
i'll be in the same situation... good luck.
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It is extremely sad to see, however there are a lot of enthusiast brands that are switching over. For example, I did some contracting work for a Subaru dealership, and to see a WRX with a CVT automatic nearly made me sick. I remember seeing a Grand Tour episode where they put a Polo GTI with a DSG vs a manual Fiesta ST and some kind of Toyota Yaris pushing 200+ HP, and the Polo, with the automatic, destroyed the other two with more weight and less power. Technology is just moving quickly. I just pray they don't start phasing the manuals out in the M Cars completely, that will be a very very sad day.
Yes, but I bet it will happen, it may survive on a CS version of M3 or M4, for a while.
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Is it solid and confirmed there will be no manual G22 4 Series Coupe?
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Is it solid and confirmed there will be no manual G22 4 Series Coupe?
There is no evidence that BMW intends to mate a manual transmission to any B58TU (neither the M1 nor O1) nor any B48TU above the M1 (neither the O1 nor T1) anywhere, ever. This rules out US manual transmission models since we will not get the B48 M1 (used in *20i models) in any BMW brand product sold here.

There is still a chance that the S58 will be mated to a manual transmission in some M2, M3 and/or M4 models. However, at this point, even that is not guaranteed.
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