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      07-08-2019, 02:48 AM   #23
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The loss of manual transmission across the lineup is pretty disappointing... I get that people in NA don't actually buy many, but BMW has a base of customers who are enthusiasts unlike any brand.

I know the auto is faster, smoother, has more gears and for most average drivers is the better choice. But I grew up with manual BMWs, I got my license all those years ago in a manual e36 M3. I live in the EU part time and It's hard to think of myself as the minority when all I see are 3 pedal cars over here. If they make them for EU, why not let NA customers take ED of manual cars. I get not shipping 3 pedal cars to sit on lots and showrooms, but ordering and taking ED is a different story.
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They don't make additional 6MT cars in the EU - it's just that BMW has 6MT as option on the lower-end cars (like 20i) that BMW NA decided not to offer. You can't get the 30i with 6MT in the EU either.
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I'm not fussed about the new M440i not having a manual option as the ZF box is fantastic.
It's a shame that it will only be available in xDrive though - BMW losing a bit more of it's DNA, I'm afraid
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The loss of manual transmission across the lineup is pretty disappointing... I get that people in NA don't actually buy many, but BMW has a base of customers who are enthusiasts unlike any brand.

I know the auto is faster, smoother, has more gears and for most average drivers is the better choice. But I grew up with manual BMWs, I got my license all those years ago in a manual e36 M3. I live in the EU part time and It's hard to think of myself as the minority when all I see are 3 pedal cars over here. If they make them for EU, why not let NA customers take ED of manual cars. I get not shipping 3 pedal cars to sit on lots and showrooms, but ordering and taking ED is a different story.
Yep - the past F30 in 330i trim with manual, slicktop, with M-sport Package was a nice combo for a fun cheap lower maintenance daliy driver.
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      07-08-2019, 07:41 AM   #27
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I live in the EU part time and It's hard to think of myself as the minority when all I see are 3 pedal cars over here. If they make them for EU, why not let NA customers take ED of manual cars. I get not shipping 3 pedal cars to sit on lots and showrooms, but ordering and taking ED is a different story.
They don't make them for EU. The 330i and M340i aren't available with a manual transmission anywhere in the world, and there are no plans for that to change. And, since the 430i and M440i will use the same drivetrains, the same applies to those products as well.

Furthermore, switching the location of delivery does nothing to change the factors that keep vehicles produced for sale in other countries from being made available to US customers. There are a whole host of differences between a Euro-spec and US-spec vehicle, and there is a cost associated with producing a vehicle that meets regulatory requirements for a specific region of the world. So, for example, even if the 320d were available here in the US, but there was no manual transmission offered as there is in other parts of the world, it would not be possible to simply allow a US customer to take delivery of their car in Europe in order to get a manual transmission.

Finally, while you may see a lot of vehicles with manual transmissions in Europe, when it comes to brand new premium vehicles, manual transmissions are being offered in very few cases. This is not a matter of BMW cutting features, but an industrywide trend that BMW is forced to recognize and acknowledge in order to compete on costs and remain viable. In fact, in the US, BMW's main competitors, Mercedes and Audi, have eliminated the manual transmission entirely while BMW still offers them on select high performance models.
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The loss of manual transmission across the lineup is pretty disappointing... I get that people in NA don't actually buy many, but BMW has a base of customers who are enthusiasts unlike any brand.

I know the auto is faster, smoother, has more gears and for most average drivers is the better choice. But I grew up with manual BMWs, I got my license all those years ago in a manual e36 M3. I live in the EU part time and It's hard to think of myself as the minority when all I see are 3 pedal cars over here. If they make them for EU, why not let NA customers take ED of manual cars. I get not shipping 3 pedal cars to sit on lots and showrooms, but ordering and taking ED is a different story.
It is extremely sad to see, however there are a lot of enthusiast brands that are switching over. For example, I did some contracting work for a Subaru dealership, and to see a WRX with a CVT automatic nearly made me sick. I remember seeing a Grand Tour episode where they put a Polo GTI with a DSG vs a manual Fiesta ST and some kind of Toyota Yaris pushing 200+ HP, and the Polo, with the automatic, destroyed the other two with more weight and less power. Technology is just moving quickly. I just pray they don't start phasing the manuals out in the M Cars completely, that will be a very very sad day.
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I just pray they don't start phasing the manuals out in the M Cars completely, that will be a very very sad day.
It started years ago. F10 M5 was not available with MT in the UK. No, not even an option.
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      07-08-2019, 08:31 AM   #30
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Seeing as the odds of the G8X platform may not come in a manual that M4CS is becoming more and more enticing for me...
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      07-08-2019, 10:31 AM   #31
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Finally, while you may see a lot of vehicles with manual transmissions in Europe, when it comes to brand new premium vehicles, manual transmissions are being offered in very few cases. This is not a matter of BMW cutting features, but an industrywide trend that BMW is forced to recognize and acknowledge in order to compete on costs and remain viable. In fact, in the US, BMW's main competitors, Mercedes and Audi, have eliminated the manual transmission entirely while BMW still offers them on select high performance models.
I guess I should have backed up my observation adding that while I do see mostly 3 pedal cars, very few are spec'd to the enthusiast level. Most F chassis cars here are diesel with at the very best the m sport package.

I rarely see a petrol, turbo cars here since Italy taxes based on output and CC's. An actual ///M car here is more rare than a Ferrari or Maserati.
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I guess I should have backed up my observation adding that while I do see mostly 3 pedal cars, very few are spec'd to the enthusiast level. Most F chassis cars here are diesel with at the very best the m sport package.

I rarely see a petrol, turbo cars here since Italy taxes based on output and CC's. An actual ///M car here is more rare than a Ferrari or Maserati.
Here in the UK many of the BMW models now only come with AT. All the bigger diesel outputs dropped MT a few years back. Plus most of the 6-cylinder petrol models. Something as common as the 3.0d (330/430d, etc.) has been AT throughout the F3x builds. E9x 3.0d models were the last to have MT and AT available.

Now we are in a period where many models, diesel and petrol, are only available with xDrive and AT.
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No M440i?!
Huh? There will be one.
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      07-08-2019, 01:46 PM   #35
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It started years ago. F10 M5 was not available with MT in the UK. No, not even an option.
Ugh, it just makes me sad. Not to mention the emissions regulations that are coming from Sweden, Denmark and I think Norway? I remember in a training I went to about two months ago for BMW, I wish I had gotten the citation, but apparently the production of new combustion engines is going to be outlawed, or something to that effect in those countries, I think starting around the 2030 year. Just sucks all the way around for those of us who like to have a connected feel to our drive.
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      07-08-2019, 04:10 PM   #36
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It started years ago. F10 M5 was not available with MT in the UK. No, not even an option.
Wasn't this the case with the E60 M5 as well? Everywhere except the US.
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I really just want a new gen 4 series Gran Coupe M440I or a M4 Gran Coupe
me too, but we won't see the 4x GC in NA until July 2021 or later...
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me too, but we won't see the 4x GC in NA until July 2021 or later...
I'm just not sure how to hold off until then. I'm already extending my current lease a couple months, and I would hate to get stuck in something for 3 years that I'm not wild about.
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I'm just not sure how to hold off until then. I'm already extending my current lease a couple months, and I would hate to get stuck in something for 3 years that I'm not wild about.
i'll be in the same situation... good luck.
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It is extremely sad to see, however there are a lot of enthusiast brands that are switching over. For example, I did some contracting work for a Subaru dealership, and to see a WRX with a CVT automatic nearly made me sick. I remember seeing a Grand Tour episode where they put a Polo GTI with a DSG vs a manual Fiesta ST and some kind of Toyota Yaris pushing 200+ HP, and the Polo, with the automatic, destroyed the other two with more weight and less power. Technology is just moving quickly. I just pray they don't start phasing the manuals out in the M Cars completely, that will be a very very sad day.
Yes, but I bet it will happen, it may survive on a CS version of M3 or M4, for a while.
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Is it solid and confirmed there will be no manual G22 4 Series Coupe?


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A new model will be added to the G30 5 Series lineup at LCI: 545e xDrive. It will have the same drivetrain as the new 745e, slightly detuned to 375hp.

G22 4 Series is coming as expected in July 2020. It will mostly copy the G20 lineup, with one exception: RWD M440i seems unlikely. Don't expect manuals in the U.S.

Mild hybrid tech I mentioned first in the May update will start expanding quickly next year (G22 will have it at intro, but it'll find its way into G05, G07, probably others I simply haven't noticed).
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Is it solid and confirmed there will be no manual G22 4 Series Coupe?
There is no evidence that BMW intends to mate a manual transmission to any B58TU (neither the M1 nor O1) nor any B48TU above the M1 (neither the O1 nor T1) anywhere, ever. This rules out US manual transmission models since we will not get the B48 M1 (used in *20i models) in any BMW brand product sold here.

There is still a chance that the S58 will be mated to a manual transmission in some M2, M3 and/or M4 models. However, at this point, even that is not guaranteed.
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Sign me up for that 545e!
Any idea of when they'll start manufacturing them?
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Sign me up for that 545e!
Any idea of when they'll start manufacturing them?
Absolutely!
Times 2 please...

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