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For instance, if I'm in NY and the card is being used in CA, the banks knows I'm not close to the card, based on geofencing and alerts me of possible fraud. I'm assuming vehicle security system would operate similarly, to prevent possible misuse or auto theft. |
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But in this context this wouldn't be a solution since a relay attack would initiate with your car close to the phone. My guess is V3 requires Apple's U1 chip to take advantage of the technology they added to accurately determine where in 3D space two objects are (when they unveiled this feature they marketed as a way to accurately airdrop just by pointing your phone due to the distance measuring capacity of UWB). Although that is a great feature it will need to be determined how guarded it is against a relay attack where an attacker makes both devices appear closer to each other by boosting or otherwise manipulating the signal in the middle. For the key fob the solution was to just turn it off when movement isn't detected. I can't say if it will be that easy here. |
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06-25-2020, 11:15 AM | #115 |
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My point with the relay attack is that the digital key won't suffer from it, unlike traditional FOBs, it was as a counter to someone saying the digital car key is pointless.
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They've noticed. Hence all of a sudden they started imitating some of the tech features. They are a bit behind but Tesla has them paying attention. Once the Model Y starts stealing all their small SUV sales then BMW is gonna be in a lot of hurt. Model 3 sales have stolen a ton of 3 series sales. I mean, I could be in a new BMW 3 series right now but I picked up a Model 3 instead.
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06-25-2020, 11:20 PM | #118 | |
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The current android BMW digital key works via NFC, with the new approximate location no way that GPS will be used for precise location- NFC and U1 chip. https://appleinsider.com/articles/20...0-square-miles
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I guess no more speculation:
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Licensing Restraints - Not Technological Restraints.
Applicability may be an issue of licensing and not technology. If so, the restraint on application to other models and the restraint on retroactivity to cars built prior to a certain date may be in the agreement between BMW and Apple.
Just a guess. But then, considering the fact that BMW has jumped the shark, I have no idea why anyone is looking for another way to enter a new BMW (M2 excepted). So what do I know. -Michael Last edited by ihbase; 07-02-2020 at 02:50 PM.. |
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Bumping this thread back up, as with Apple announcing the new Apple Watch Series 6 yesterday (9/15/2020), the U1 chip is present in the series 6 watch. No need to take your iPhone out of your pocket or even have your iPhone, just use the series 6 watch to open the door and drive off.
https://www.carandbike.com/news/appl...iphone-2296236 I pre-ordered the Hermès Series 6, but will not be able to use until I take delivery early next year of a 2021 X5M comp. I will also be ordering the new M4 vert when available latter in 2021, should be interesting how the Apple iPhone digital key works with two BMW’s.
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and for two cars, Apple can easily implement two keys in the Wallet app.
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That would be nice not to take your phone or watch out and assume it could use proximity locator too. I like BMW Key so far on my 2021 5 Series.
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