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Properties and other vehicles are catching fire on a regular basis from EV fires and just admit that an EV fire is far more powerful and very difficult to extinguish than that of a gas car should it alight for some reason ie a crash. It's not possible to extinguish an eV fire with a portable extinguisher where with a gas car it can be put out if quick action is taken. |
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I am interested only in the potential for advancement and breakthroughs. What has occurred in the past 10 years is phenomenal. Now that there is so much emphasis on batteries and more, I expect even more progress. Everything from engine efficiencies to regenerative braking to improved systems management. The whole enchilada. It certainly isn't science-based to focus on problems and not solutions. Do detractors think this is going away? Do they think no one else knows of the issues regarding current LI batteries? It has been very well publicized. Do they believe that no further advancement will ever occur? The researchers, automakers, NASA, battery makers, etc are well aware what the problems are. And that is all that matters.
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08-15-2024, 11:40 AM | #8959 | |
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Develop that architecture under natural market forces, then my obsession over the societial/economic impacts of forced BEV adoption goes away. Can't delve into that subject any further because [NO POLITICS], but you know the drill. |
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08-15-2024, 11:55 AM | #8961 |
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Will they use LI batteries?
I see a future with EV, hybrid, ICE and possibly others. In terms of complexity, hybrids are no panacea. An EV is far less complex and for those who can plug in at home, a much better choice. New battery tech will make them even more attractive, as it continues to evolve. I doubt there will ever be a single solution for all potential uses. Not in our lifetimes anyhow. EV development will continue. So will hybrid development. If the base case for a hybrid is better mileage, with more complexity and all that entails, I remain uninterested. I don't need the added initial cost and complexity to save a few bucks on gas. The folks who charge at home do not either. No doubt they are best for some. Don't current hybrids combine the dangers of both battery and fuel fires? I got the impression that seems to be a big issue for you.
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You see a mix of different fuel-type architectures, all well and good, but [NO POLITICS] are keyed only to BEV. That's the problem. No diversity of (engineering) thought. I really don't care about the fire issue, statistically it's nill. In my 1.4M miles of driving I've seen just one (1) on fire. It was a BMW E90 and probably the CCV heater valve caused it (LOL). I've seen numerous accidents but all did not result in a fire. I do think a battery with a built-in oxidizer is stupid, but I've already said I think batteries powering electric cars is stupid. Last edited by Efthreeoh; 08-15-2024 at 12:33 PM.. |
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I encourage you, or anyone to do what Elon Musk did, disrupt. Build a company to produce a vehicle that drives with on-board power generation. Be forewarned however that every single automaker in the world, has been exploring this approach and came to the conclusion that they needed to go the present route. Maybe someone can figure out an angle that they cannot. It was, after all, Elon that forced automakers to jump on this, so as not to be left behind. Tesla existed before there were EV incentives and will presumably exist when they are gone. If it were up to me there would be no EV incentives. Meanwhile we live in a Democracy, if that isn't too political to assert. And in a democracy, a majority rules. As the saying goes, democracy is the worst form of government...except all the rest.
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Now that we agree that the whole fire thing is a bit overstated, it can be put to rest. And it didn't even take us three years to get here. Diversity of engineering requires funding. I've posted only a fraction of what is going on in the transportation engineering ecosystem. The automakers, including Tesla, are not going to take any real chances that destroy shareholder value. Imagine they did and no one would step up to buy at the true price point. Shareholders are screwed, engineers are fired, management is tossed and bankruptcy is announced. Pure research is hard to find these days, much is done at the university level and requires subsidization. Big companies rarely take chances. Right now though, automakers are diving in. Even if this is just a transition phase, it has brought many good jobs to the marketplace. Seventy years ago, Sunbeam was making toasters that weighed 20 lbs and are all now in a landfill. it doesn't matter because it employed people who went out and bought Chevies and the salesmen's wives bought Wonderbread. All that is gone now and here we are. Was that all for nothing?
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An ICE-powered EV series hybrid has all the upside of EV efficiency and all the upside of ICEV recharging simplicity. My opinion is after hanging on an EV forum for over a year now, overall, ICEV are far less complex to own and operate as a complete use case. Add cost in as a factor and I see no advantage to BEV adoption at this point. You can talk about the EV future all you want, but that's not now. As far as fires go, although both are statistically insignificant, I'll take an ICEV fire over an EV fire in terms of safety and survivability. It's the qualitative aspect of the phenomenon rather than the quantitative. That's been my discussion point all along. Last edited by Efthreeoh; 08-15-2024 at 02:33 PM.. |
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Let's put the EV fire on the side. We have more concerns from the Tesla owned public charging stations need to be address. Everyone need to practice "sharing is caring" and see how it go
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Do boomers still watch TV?
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^ Non stop over here, I have a good laugh at them spending silly money on tv ads for vehicles that fewer people want.
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This chap attempted to do a long trip in a Renault Zoe 'GT' EV . It's a small car made in France and according to the title it wasn't all an electric drive.
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