[DFW_M]

Originally Posted by ///Mantis

why are you two (dr325i and ganeil) here on this thread?

Cause I hate to see all this negative propaganda about (today) China that is absolutely not true...especially associated with the event like Olympic Games...

[scottwww]

Originally Posted by dr325i

Cause I hate to see all this negative propaganda about (today) China that is absolutely not true...especially associated with the event like Olympic Games...

If it is proven that any of the Chinese girls on the gymnastics team who won gold is actually under 16 years old in 2008, then should she (and the team in the events in which she participated) be stripped of their gold medals?

If not, why not? And then why would anyone caught on drugs be denied the win and their medals?

Rules are rules. If you don't like the rules, change them, but not retroactively.

[!Xoible]

Originally Posted by dr325i

Cause I hate to see all this negative propaganda about (today) China that is absolutely not true...especially associated with the event like Olympic Games...

confucious say:

I'm blind to you haterz,
C'yant touch me war instigators
Me say me busy love lately,
Ask you how the world ah run so

it's hard for certain people to realize and admit the US isnt the one and only anymore

[iatacs19]

Originally Posted by scottwww

If it is proven that any of the Chinese girls on the gymnastics team who won gold is actually under 16 years old in 2008, then should she (and the team in the events in which she participated) be stripped of their gold medals?

If not, why not? And then why would anyone caught on drugs be denied the win and their medals?

Rules are rules. If you don't like the rules, change them, but not retroactively.

Yes, if in fact ANY country violated the rules in ANY sport they should give up their medals.

[ganeil]

Originally Posted by ///Mantis

why are you two (dr325i and ganeil) here on this thread?

Why not?

[!Xoible]

Originally Posted by ganeil

Why not?

because this isnt really the place for a political debate. if you guys want to have it you 3 (now im including scottwww) you guys should create a thread in the religion/politcs forum.

[ganeil]

Originally Posted by ///Mantis

because this isnt really the place for a political debate. if you guys want to have it you 3 (now im including scottwww) you guys should create a thread in the religion/politcs forum.

Who is discussing politics? This is a discussion of possible cheating in a sporting event?

Is steroids in baseball a political issue as well?

[!Xoible]

Originally Posted by ganeil

Who is discussing politics? This is a discussion of possible cheating in a sporting event?

Is steroids in baseball a political issue as well?

[bolinp78]

Originally Posted by n3985

Being recruited very young aside, I don't understand the big fuss over the 16 years of age thing. So other countries *could* complain that the Chinese girls who are younger, less experienced, never participated in int'l competition won because they are younger??? What am I missing?

Because being small and somewhat underdeveloped for women is an advantage in gymnastics. That is why. It is easier to perform. They are 4'10 70lbs.. vs USA who are 85-95. It makes a big difference.

[bolinp78]

Originally Posted by PLAYON

Hahah ybbiz34 they meet the age requirements. . .It's the Olympics. . .they can't keep something that big under wraps. . .The Olympic Committee would have an absolute field day blowing up China's spot. (I think anyways)

All the Chinese had to do was simply submit a passport to prove their age (which is a fact). The passports are 'conveniently' issued by the Chinese government (another fact) The IOC can't do anything about it because China's government "handled it" (another fact, because they came out and said so)... Give me a break.

[bolinp78]

Originally Posted by dr325i

Cause I hate to see all this negative propaganda about (today) China that is absolutely not true...especially associated with the event like Olympic Games...

How do you know it is not true? What is wrong with us discussing it. Yea, we are throwing accusations out there, but that's what everyone is doing because it all fits together so perfecty.

* The athletes physically resemble someone under the age of 16 (I don't care what country you are from).

* The athletes were forced into competing at a very early age

* All they needed to do was submit a passport to verify age

* The passports were issued by the Chinese government (need I say more about this)

* The IOC has said that they can't do anything about it

so what is so wrong about discussing this?

[DFW_M]

Originally Posted by bolinp78

How do you know it is not true? What is wrong with us discussing it. Yea, we are throwing accusations out there, but that's what everyone is doing because it all fits together so perfecty.

* The athletes physically resemble someone under the age of 16 (I don't care what country you are from).

* The athletes were forced into competing at a very early age

* All they needed to do was submit a passport to verify age

* The passports were issued by the Chinese government (need I say more about this)

* The IOC has said that they can't do anything about it

so what is so wrong about discussing this?

Maybe because I lived in China for almost 2 years (2005/2006/2007) and dealt with China for past 12 years?

Definitely not because I read about the crap from the USA Today...

[DFW_M]

Originally Posted by scottwww

If it is proven that any of the Chinese girls on the gymnastics team who won gold is actually under 16 years old in 2008, then should she (and the team in the events in which she participated) be stripped of their gold medals?

If not, why not? And then why would anyone caught on drugs be denied the win and their medals?

Rules are rules. If you don't like the rules, change them, but not retroactively.

BTW, I wasn't commenting about the cheating part -- it is very possible that any nation cheated (including the USA or China...)

My comment was toward the "Government Ordered" stuff that is not really true for some time...

[n3985]

I keep on reading that China "forced" these girls into gymnastics, can someone post a story or something? I'm Chinese and what I know is that girls identified as potential are given the choice to join the national program, not coerced into it.

[ganeil]

Originally Posted by n3985

I keep on reading that China "forced" these girls into gymnastics, can someone post a story or something? I'm Chinese and what I know is that girls identified as potential are given the choice to join the national program, not coerced into it.

Exactly how is a 3 year old given a choice?

[Spool]

you retards are boring the hell out of me, will someone post more pictures of girls playing beach volleyball?

[DFW_M]

Originally Posted by ganeil

Exactly how is a 3 year old given a choice?

My child started playing tennis at the age of 3...
I never forced her to do so...

I know many tennis players that started at early age...

Agassi started at that age and at 5 was already hitting with the Pros...

[bolinp78]

Originally Posted by n3985

I keep on reading that China "forced" these girls into gymnastics, can someone post a story or something? I'm Chinese and what I know is that girls identified as potential are given the choice to join the national program, not coerced into it.

You asked for it.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/14/24833/7344

http://www.thedailypage.com/isthmus/...?article=23346

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...4/ai_n21089772

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=92479526

Notice the part in the last article that states that the athletes are paid a government salary...

China hosts games.... Must put on good showing... Chinese government runs athletics and pays athletes. Chinese government wants to win regardless of costs.. Chinese government issues passports, which are the only form of proof needed to verify age..

hmm

[ganeil]

Originally Posted by bolinp78

You asked for it.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/14/24833/7344

http://www.thedailypage.com/isthmus/...?article=23346

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...4/ai_n21089772

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=92479526

Notice the part in the last article that states that the athletes are paid a government salary...

China hosts games.... Must put on good showing... Chinese government runs athletics and pays athletes. Chinese government wants to win regardless of costs.. Chinese government issues passports, which are the only form of proof needed to verify age..

hmm

Who wants to bet dr325i will claim that the articles are not true and he knows because he has been to China?

Anyone?

[DFW_M]

Originally Posted by ganeil

Who wants to bet dr325i will claim that the articles are not true and he knows because he has been to China?

Anyone?

Or maybe I should link you to similar Chinese articles and European articles talking shit about us?

I read the NRP article, maybe you should too.
I have seen similar "Boarding Schools" in the USA... What is your point?
What is wrong with those?

Other articles are pure political crap...

[ganeil]

Originally Posted by bolinp78

You asked for it.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/14/24833/7344

http://www.thedailypage.com/isthmus/...?article=23346

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...4/ai_n21089772

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=92479526

Notice the part in the last article that states that the athletes are paid a government salary...

China hosts games.... Must put on good showing... Chinese government runs athletics and pays athletes. Chinese government wants to win regardless of costs.. Chinese government issues passports, which are the only form of proof needed to verify age..

hmm

This really is a shame. My son is a competitive athlete but I could not imagine the government forcing him to participate in a program such as those described. Sports are supposed to be fun, that is why we play them.

[!Xoible]

Originally Posted by MadDog

I see you're showing your age, IQ and maturity level.

lol no i didnt mean it to you, just wanted to see if u knew tagalog. my bad, it's just from the lack of phrases that i know. blame ur people for teaching me bad things only