[Spydert]

Originally Posted by Darth One

This is like that stupid dress that's either blue and black, or white and gold


Anyway, I'm in the camp of totally not seeing the similarities. The only thing they have in common to me is that their front ends look idiotic

But one looks more idiotic than the other.

[ska///235i]

Those arguing should photoshop the BMW badge out of the rear and ask ppl what car is it.....100% will say its a lexus


But then ppl now only cares for how many HP and what the lease rate is for the car, nothing else matters

[Ibiza]

Originally Posted by ska///235i

Why buy a new gen bmw if I can get a Lexus for cheaper and more reliable....the days have come

See ya latter and don't let the door hit your ass on the way out!

Too many delusional posts regarding the new G20 looking like a jap Lexus, just open up ya eyes real wide and there is a notable difference.

Job well done BMW AG!

[kooper]

Originally Posted by Spydert

Hahahaha.
Apparently, it definitely had to be done!

Meanwhile, me want that CS rear lights. Badly!

I hear you, those CS tail lights are ludicrously good looking.

[Ibiza]

Originally Posted by ShawnPaul

I traded in my less than 2 year old bmw for a Lexus IS. The Lexus drives better in every single way (handling, real world acceleration...), has better seats, is cheaper, more reliable, better service at dealerships and more comfortable. Anyone with a 3 series right now clearly never drove the Lexus or the jag Xe before they bought their car. I haven't liked any of the launches lately either, so hope this car corrects all the issues with the rear suspension and reliability.

And Lexus has European Delivery, Performance Center Delivery, US performance driving schools, BMW Driving Experience training in Germany, various European tracks and Winter training in Sweden?

What was your prior BMW? As I wouldn't return my M4 vert or X5M early, and excited with the new G20 styling and technology will be in the future G83 (M4 vert in 3 years).

PS I converted my wife who was a former Lexus brand loyalist over to BMW- no comparison.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by stefan

its really good marketing. BMW runs out of ideas and arguably makes a mistake overstyling their cars (which runs counter to their previous design principle of minimal lines/timelessness). But by simply paying a few journalists and marketing the heck out of it as "X% better" , people eat it up.
and
I wonder if these fanboys also love Hyundais and Kias because we are now at that level of overstyling.

I agree with over styling I just don't believe they look like a Lexus on the tail lights.

Reminds me of euro BMW Blackline Taillights.

[AntonySMith]

BMW 3 Series vs Lexus IS

[babaikram]

Originally Posted by ShawnPaul

I traded in my less than 2 year old bmw for a Lexus IS. The Lexus drives better in every single way (handling, real world acceleration...), has better seats, is cheaper, more reliable, better service at dealerships and more comfortable. Anyone with a 3 series right now clearly never drove the Lexus or the jag Xe before they bought their car. I haven't liked any of the launches lately either, so hope this car corrects all the issues with the rear suspension and reliability.

Really. Lexus IS was the worst car I ever test drove. A car that in Sport mode, pressing accelerator only increases the engine noise with no increased agility. Some people on this forum do make ridiculous claims

[MT4life]

Originally Posted by Ibiza

See ya latter and don't let the door hit your ass on the way out!

Too many delusional posts regarding the new G20 looking like a jap Lexus, just open up ya eyes real wide and there is a notable difference.

Job well done BMW AG!

You may wanna change the underlined word buddy.

[babaikram]

Originally Posted by ska///235i

Those arguing should photoshop the BMW badge out of the rear and ask ppl what car is it.....100% will say its a lexus


But then ppl now only cares for how many HP and what the lease rate is for the car, nothing else matters

BMW as a company caters for everybody. If you want a hard core sedan, M3 is there for you. It seems some people want to enjoy M car characteristics without paying for it. I appreciate both the soft and hard BMW cars. My back says so

[Too__Hu///Mble]

Let's be clear and 100% honest. Besides the person that posted the pics with all the BMW taillight design no one mentioned the origination of the "L bar" design.

I felt it became more prominent on the LCI E9x lights where the double bar design was used. It then matriculated to the E71/E70 LCI and the whole F chassis generation of cars.

(Look at the 6 series taillight design which inspired the new 8 series)

Now similar to the halos, it was slowly getting reduced. 3/4 circle, to half circle (roughly) and now quarter or 1/3 circle. My point is the design language went from double bar to single bar. Beginning with the 8 series or X2 depend on which was officially released or spied pics.

That's the new taillight design language as it appears. (G20)

I'll close it with this comment and question. Being that BMW started as a airplane company, don't the single bar design resemble the wings of a plane with a flared upward design at the end of the wing?

[M3 Number 86]

Originally Posted by kooper

It has to be done:
So the G20 having L-shaped rear-lights make it look like a Lexus, you say?

Let's take a stroll down memory lane:

















EDIT: Might as well add the G20's lights here for completeness


There are more examples out there, but I'll stop here.

L-shaped rear light clusters has been a BMW design characteristic since 1986 when the E32 was released. Lexus tries to incorporate the "L" in their badge in their rear lights, while BMW has used the theme in their cars, demonstrably, for quite a long time now.

if you can't tell the difference between L shaped housing versus RECTANGULAR shaped housing just because there is a lit up "L" in there, I don't know what to say.....

The last one is blatantly different

[kooper]

Originally Posted by M3 Number 86

if you can't tell the difference between L shaped housing versus RECTANGULAR shaped housing just because there is a lit up "L" in there, I don't know what to say.....

The last one is blatantly different

So what you're saying is that the problem ISN'T the L motif in the rear light cluster, it's the clusters themselves being rectangular? Who did BMW pilfer rectangular rear light clusters from I wonder? Pythagoras? Wait, must be Lexus too, surely.

[M3 Number 86]

Originally Posted by kooper

So what you're saying is that the problem ISN'T the L motif in the rear light cluster, it's the clusters themselves being rectangular? Who did BMW pilfer rectangular rear light clusters from I wonder? Pythagoras? Wait, must be Lexus too, surely.

I'm not saying they copied/bit/pilfered anyone. It's just reminiscent of Lexus rear ends.

I like BMWs too, and spent retarded money to mod mine, but I'm not going to deny that it reminds me of a Lexus. It is what it is.

Shit, now that I think about it, it looks more like the RX350 tail light

I do like that the housing is 3D though.

[stefan]

Originally Posted by Ibiza

See ya latter and don't let the door hit your ass on the way out!

Too many delusional posts regarding the new G20 looking like a jap Lexus, just open up ya eyes real wide and there is a notable difference.

Job well done BMW AG!

BMW doesn't need your praise, I think they are OK from a sales standpoint.


Better tell Edmunds they are delusional BTW

[Ibiza]

Originally Posted by stefan

BMW doesn't need your praise, I think they are OK from a sales standpoint.


Better tell Edmunds they are delusional BTW

Your correct, considering I purchased 3 new BMW's over the last 12 months.

[FCBayernFTW]

BuT iT lOoKs LiKe A lExUs!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ska///235i]

Originally Posted by babaikram

BMW as a company caters for everybody. If you want a hard core sedan, M3 is there for you. It seems some people want to enjoy M car characteristics without paying for it. I appreciate both the soft and hard BMW cars. My back says so

What does you reply have anything to do with what I said?

Im just wondering

[kooper]

Originally Posted by M3 Number 86

I'm not saying they copied/bit/pilfered anyone. It's just reminiscent of Lexus rear ends.

I like BMWs too, and spent retarded money to mod mine, but I'm not going to deny that it reminds me of a Lexus. It is what it is.

Shit, now that I think about it, it looks more like the RX350 tail light

I do like that the housing is 3D though.

That's perfectly fine, I have absolutely no qualm if you find the design reminiscent of a Lexus or Audi or anything else. It's all subjective really, and like you stated, it is what it is.

My point is simply that the L motif is not something that is uniquely Lexus. If you ask me, BMW and Lexus have equal claim to the design feature, and it's unlikely that the theme will stop with either manufacturer.

[M3 Number 86]

Originally Posted by kooper

That's perfectly fine, I have absolutely no qualm if you find the design reminiscent of a Lexus or Audi or anything else. It's all subjective really, and like you stated, it is what it is.

My point is simply that the L motif is not something that is uniquely Lexus. If you ask me, BMW and Lexus have equal claim to the design feature, and it's unlikely that the theme will stop with either manufacturer.

For me it's the overall design, much less the "L"
housing shape, housing 3d element, housing shading, etc
For BMW it's definitely new. For Lexus, they have been doing this for years now. That's why it reminds me of it.

[Maverik259]

Why is this on the home page?

[kooper]

Originally Posted by M3 Number 86

For me it's the overall design, much less the "L"
housing shape, housing 3d element, housing shading, etc
For BMW it's definitely new. For Lexus, they have been doing this for years now. That's why it reminds me of it.

That's a fair point. The design as it stands is relatively new, as we've seen on the new 8 and X4.

As I've stated, if it reminds you of a Lexus design, it's no water off my back. I thought the E90 when it first debuted oddly resembled a Nissan Primera, heck I knew someone that thought the Porsche Carrera GT looked like an Alfa Romeo somehow. People will see things differently, and it's all equally parts frustrating and fascinating at the same time.

All things considered though, it is pretty cool that automotive design is something that still fascinates people as much as it evidently is.