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      05-21-2018, 08:17 AM   #1
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G20 3 Series vs Tesla Model 3

So who here might still consider a new Tesla 3 over the new G20?

When I got my F80 I looked at a P90D but because I actually track my M3 quite often and Tesla S was rather big, I opted to pass.

Now that Tesla has the smaller Model 3 and I don't track often (I'll probably just only use the race car) the new Tesla may be something to consider..

I bet the Tesla 3 will be the faster everyday real world "street car." (And couldn't sound any worse than my F80)
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      05-21-2018, 02:43 PM   #2
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"In CR’s testing, Model 3's braking distance from 60 mph was 152 feet, a distance that the outlet claimed is “far worse than any contemporary car [it has] tested” and was nearly seven feet longer than the braking distance than that of a Ford F-150."

Hmmm... Might want to re-think this....

I bet they can fix this with the "Brembo" software patch.
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Is G20 (esp. the electric one) a Model 3 killer?

The first round of G20 reviews start to surface, so does BMW have a product that can fend off Tesla Model 3?
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      08-19-2018, 01:16 PM   #4
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Different things. Will the new Heineken kill red wine?
Anyway, as far as I understand the i4 will be an electric car based on G20. The insiders here know about that 🙂
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Different things. Will the new Heineken kill red wine?
Anyway, as far as I understand the i4 will be an electric car based on G20. The insiders here know about that 🙂
not that different considering they belong to the same sub category and model 3 is stealing market share from F30. I hope BMW comes up with a proper long range bev in the future to compete with tesla.
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      08-30-2018, 05:15 PM   #6
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Different things. Will the new Heineken kill red wine?
Anyway, as far as I understand the i4 will be an electric car based on G20. The insiders here know about that 🙂
The i4 will be the production VisioniDynamics.
We will start to see that soon as the first prototypes are getting ready to roll out in bright blue camouflage. Yes it's As stunning as the concept.
The i4 and iNEXT will be radically different using the design language of BMWi compared to the BMWi re-invention of the iX3 and new i3.
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      08-30-2018, 11:35 PM   #7
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The i4 will be the production VisioniDynamics.
We will start to see that soon as the first prototypes are getting ready to roll out in bright blue camouflage. Yes it's As stunning as the concept.
The i4 and iNEXT will be radically different using the design language of BMWi compared to the BMWi re-invention of the iX3 and new i3.
Wait, have you seen this vehicle???
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Wait, have you seen this vehicle???
He's the corporate mouth piece on this forum iirc. He's got insider info on everything bmw.

Back on topic, i don't see G20 EV as a proper answer to the model 3, it's not even built on a dedicated BEV platform and has to make compromises. But i do wish BMW can at least squeeze out a reasonable 260 mile range when this goes on sale around 2021, just to get more people on board with EV.
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Doubt it. Tesla has the mind share of the current cultural zeitgeist. They're flying off the floor here in socal. You see them everywhere.
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      09-30-2018, 01:13 AM   #10
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I'd bet on BMW here. Not having a dedicated platform is using a proven platform doesn't seem like a huge deal. Ultimately they just have to have something close enough until Tesla kills itself.

BMW knows they are playing the long game.
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The way I see it, only a small percentage of the market wants electric and a huge percentage of that segment wants Tesla specifically.

Proof is In the failure of the volt to succeed despite existing (unlike the model 3 at its price) and being a very well reviewed car.

BMW, VW, Audi, Porsche, to a lesser extent GM, Ford, and Honda, plus Toyota all moving in on the electric market. VAG and BMW though are dumping a massive amount of cash into it. Apparently they believe that is the future.

I don't see success there for BMW. Small market and way to much competition. This will be a Windows Phone/surface type experience where billions are wasted trying to beat Apple.

BMW fundamentally misunderstands SoCal culture and Tesla / Apples prestige factor.
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The way I see it, only a small percentage of the market wants electric and a huge percentage of that segment wants Tesla specifically.

Proof is In the failure of the volt to succeed despite existing (unlike the model 3 at its price) and being a very well reviewed car.

BMW, VW, Audi, Porsche, to a lesser extent GM, Ford, and Honda, plus Toyota all moving in on the electric market. VAG and BMW though are dumping a massive amount of cash into it. Apparently they believe that is the future.

I don't see success there for BMW. Small market and way to much competition. This will be a Windows Phone/surface type experience where billions are wasted trying to beat Apple.

BMW fundamentally misunderstands SoCal culture and Tesla / Apples prestige factor.
n=1, therefore very small percentage here, but I want a fully electric BEV and I want it to be a BMW, and do not want a Tesla (who still hasn't figured out how to design and build modern vehicles, other than the powertrain). Volt or other hybrids are a half-step compromise...I am interested in a non-ICE BEV for an addition to the household. As a fallback, I am interested in learning more about Polestar Model 2, if the Bimmer doesn't appear as expected.
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The G20 doesn't matter because Tesla

The new 3 series petrol vehicles don't matter at all. BMW needs to make something can compete with Tesla model 3, the new 3 series is not even a match.
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The new 3 series petrol vehicles don't matter at all. BMW needs to make something can compete with Tesla model 3, the new 3 series is not even a match.
Says someone who got a petrol X3 and not a Model X
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The new 3 series petrol vehicles don't matter at all. BMW needs to make something can compete with Tesla model 3, the new 3 series is not even a match.
Tesla Model 3 is rubbish quality and substandard interior materials.

Will Tesla still be around in the next 5-10 years?

And remember, electric cars are still not a viable or practical option for the vast majority of the population.

When Tesla develops a battery and charge system that allows me to fully charge the car in 5 minutes or less, the time it takes me to fill up the 16 gallon fuel tank in my G30, then we will talk.

Until then, I'll happily wait for an electric BMW alternative or at least an option from an established automaker that understands fit/finish and interior material quality.
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      10-14-2018, 08:51 PM   #16
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The new 3 series petrol vehicles don't matter at all. BMW needs to make something can compete with Tesla model 3, the new 3 series is not even a match.
Says someone who got a petrol X3 and not a Model X
Nope, actually says someone who drives a leased i3 more than a petrol X3 and going to get a model 3 when lease term ends.
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Tesla Model 3 is rubbish quality and substandard interior materials.

Will Tesla still be around in the next 5-10 years?

And remember, electric cars are still not a viable or practical option for the vast majority of the population.

When Tesla develops a battery and charge system that allows me to fully charge the car in 5 minutes or less, the time it takes me to fill up the 16 gallon fuel tank in my G30, then we will talk.

Until then, I'll happily wait for an electric BMW alternative or at least an option from an established automaker that understands fit/finish and interior material quality.
Yes and no. Tesla may not be as good as BMW for quality control, but I've heard something similar when first iPhone was released, iPhone won't beat Nokia because it couldn't survive a 4-feet drop and its battery didn't last a day, Nokia fans said. Actually Tesla model 3 is not that bad at quality, while it has received superior safety ratings from NHTSA and IIHS.
I drive an i3, a car has a much smaller battery than model 3, it didn't even give me any range problem for everyday use because I can charge it at home every night. It actually saves me a lot of time from going to gas stations. And how many people need to drive 100+ miles for everyday commuting? For me maybe just 2 or 3 times in a year I need to drive that long from home.
BTW just look the sales data in US, Tesla sold 13500 model 3 in July, while BMW sold 9502 2+3+4+5 series in total, consumers know which is better.
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Tesla buyers are getting duped. Fools and their cash parting ways..

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Tesla Model 3 is rubbish quality and substandard interior materials.

Will Tesla still be around in the next 5-10 years?

And remember, electric cars are still not a viable or practical option for the vast majority of the population.

When Tesla develops a battery and charge system that allows me to fully charge the car in 5 minutes or less, the time it takes me to fill up the 16 gallon fuel tank in my G30, then we will talk.

Until then, I'll happily wait for an electric BMW alternative or at least an option from an established automaker that understands fit/finish and interior material quality.
Heavenyu is right...BMW need to address the increasing performance gap by coming up with a legit high-perfromance BEV.

F30 335i rider here and Tesla Model 3 reservation holder.

It's true Tesla interior quality/ergonomics are not as good as BMW but at the end of the day, I would wager most drivers here would give the nod to performance over interior. My 335i (chipped and sport exhaust) was an awesome sleeper when I got it '13. Today, mid 4's and high 12's is nothing vs a Tesla.

In the word's of Chris Harris, I race "the traffic light grand prix" and for that, there is simply no better car than a Tesla. Today, I know I can't take any Tesla with a batter pack > 75kwh. That's not good. Mercedes C-class sales are down 25% since the Model 3 came out... Mercedes says it it NOT a coincidence. IS/A4/3er/C-class drivers are cross-shopping and voting with their wallets.

310 miles range is more than enough for my commute in Chi-town so that I'd only have to charge it once a week. I'd say for the vast majority of people that live in major metro, that is more than sufficient. Oh, and our new parking garage has 12 EV charging stalls and our leasing company says in the next year, every parking stall will have an outlet. Supercharger charge times are down to 80% full in 20 minutes, and if you don't think batteries/range/charging times are going to improve over the next few years, I have a great deal on an iPhone 3 to sell you....

When I saw this video, I knew the ICE is in the autumn of its life.



https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...selling-sedans
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The new 3 series petrol vehicles don't matter at all. BMW needs to make something can compete with Tesla model 3, the new 3 series is not even a match.
Tesla Model 3 is rubbish quality and substandard interior materials.

Will Tesla still be around in the next 5-10 years?

And remember, electric cars are still not a viable or practical option for the vast majority of the population.

When Tesla develops a battery and charge system that allows me to fully charge the car in 5 minutes or less, the time it takes me to fill up the 16 gallon fuel tank in my G30, then we will talk.

Until then, I'll happily wait for an electric BMW alternative or at least an option from an established automaker that understands fit/finish and interior material quality.
I'm sure at one point more than one person wouldn't buy a car over a horse because with a horse you didn't need that gasoline stuff. Seriously, the build quality on the Model 3 is getting better and better all the time. I'm my opinion the materials are not all that bad, and the fact of the matter is they are the driving force behind the electric car industry. It certainly isn't the i3 doing that. Reguarding your statement about electric cars not being practical for the average person, well price probably but because of the battery I would have to disagree. The model 3 has over 300 miles of range. The vast majority of people don't go over that in a single day. Couple that with the fact that you basically have a gas station in your garage and a full tank every morning and I don't see the issue. Driving an electric like the model 3 is also very addicting. The torque is incredible even in the non performance model. The fact of the matter is the change is coming and those who scorn electric cars because they do t have an aggressive exhaust sound will soon be left in the dust, literally and figuratively. I for one am waiting for BMW to really get onboard. I admire what Tesla has accomplished but their CEO is a nut job who puts the bottom line of the company, and its viability, in danger every time he opens his mouth. Reminds me of another idiot on twitter,....now who was that....hmmmm
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Meh - I like the sound and feel of an ICE. Fast golf carts are not for everyone. I know one day we'll all be driving electric cars (well autonomously at least) so I'll enjoy good old gas burning cars while I can. I'm in no rush to get rid of driving.
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I'm in the same boat, I feel no love for electric vehicles regardless of their performance. To me there's no point in going fast if you sound like a glorified vacuum cleaner while doing it. I'll stick to my petrol powered cars for as long as I can.
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