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      01-17-2019, 09:17 AM   #1
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G80 M3/M4 info from Car Magazine, Including No Frills Manual-Only Rear-Drive Version

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The M5 has the beef and the M8 has the drama, but it’s the smaller BMW M3 that has always got to the heart of the M experience most strongly. For immersive handling at a relatively accessible price, Three is the magic number.

This year the M3 and its brasher two-door M4 sibling will regenerate at September’s Frankfurt motor show. They’ll both go up in price a tad, but so does power (to 474bhp) and torque (to at least 480lb ft). That’s 30bhp more than the Audi RS4/5 can muster, and eclipses the Mercedes-AMG C63 saloon (though it’s shy of the uprated 503bhp C63 S).

The picture looks even rosier when you throw in a 65kg weight loss versus its predecessor, improved aerodynamics (including more targeted distribution of downforce), stiffer bodywork and reworked suspension.

New 2020 BMW M3: two- or four-wheel drive

The extra power was a given. What was less clear was how many wheels the new M3 would put it through. The answer: either two or four. Base versions of the new M3 will be purely rear-wheel drive, while pricier M xDrive all-wheel-drive variants will include the same 2wd toggle mode as the M5.

More enticingly, BMW is planning entry-level M3 and M4 variants, sold as reduced-to-the-max drivers’ cars. The internal nickname is M3 and M4 Pure, which sums up their role as no-frills, back-to-the-roots extensions of the range. They’ll have a little less power than the plusher models, 454bhp rather than 474bhp, but they’ll be the only M3/M4 variants without the otherwise standard eight-speed automatic transmission, and M xDrive system will be off limits too.

Instead the Pure versions (production name still tbc) will use a six-speed manual transmission, and their rear-wheel-drive layout will be complemented by a quicker-acting electronically controlled diff lock.

To underline their position as totally immersive hardcore slide-masters, the Pure editions are set to get restyled aprons front and rear, their own wheel design, an optional standalone signature paintjob (unconfirmed for the UK), special fabric and alcantara upholstery, colour-coded cabin trim and bespoke instrument graphics. Slightly cheaper and focused, the Pure versions could have what it takes to become the M division’s real McCoys.

BMW M3 and M4 Pure: a pure-bred driver's focus

The Pure is the only M3/M4 offered with a manual gearbox because BMW has no stickshift that can handle more than 480lb ft – which higher-grade versions will exceed. Said torque comes from a twin-turbo 3.0-litre straight-six dubbed S58, the most sophisticated in-line six-cylinder unit ever conceived by the M division. It’s fitted with water-injection to cool the high combustion temperatures, and with a new petrol particulate filter to placate emissions watchdogs.

As for the M3’s two-door M4 sibling, the M4 cabriolet switches from metal to soft top when it launches late next year. Over time, M division intends to launch three additional go-faster M4s. The M4 Competition (expected 2021) benefits from more aggressive boost pressure, higher compression ratio, a more voluminous intake manifold and a less restrictive exhaust to pump out 503bhp, thus matching the C63 S AMG.

Further down the line, the M4 coupe is tipped for CS and CSL packs. While the CS will allegedly come in a relatively understated wrapper, the limited-edition (and pricey) CSL will get the full-monty bodykit, including an almighty rear wing and front air dam, notably higher composite content including carbon-ceramic brakes, racing seats (the rear bench is a delete option, while a rollcage is an optional extra), and a bespoke instrument display.

The Michelin Cup tyres go up one size, the suspension and the aero pack can be adjusted for track use, and the entire drivetrain will be tuned for the fastest possible response. The power figures are still provisional but we’re talking around 530bhp for the CS and an even meaner 550bhp for the CSL.

Meanwhile, bad news for those hankering for an M3 estate: there are currently no plans for an M3 Touring. According to a source from the BMW M department, in 2020 the M range will include a four-door M4 Gran Coupe, which easily eclipsed a proposal for an M3 Touring in an internal shootout.
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This year the M3 and its brasher two-door M4 sibling will regenerate at Septemberís Frankfurt motor show. Theyíll both go up in price a tad, but so does power (to 474bhp) and torque (to at least 480lb ft). Thatís 30bhp more than the Audi RS4/5 can muster, and eclipses the Mercedes-AMG C63 saloon (though itís shy of the uprated 503bhp C63 S).

The extra power was a given. What was less clear was how many wheels the new M3 would put it through. The answer: either two or four. Base versions of the new M3 will be purely rear-wheel drive, while pricier M xDrive all-wheel-drive variants will include the same 2wd toggle mode as the M5.

More enticingly, BMW is planning entry-level M3 and M4 variants, sold as reduced-to-the-max driversí cars. The internal nickname is M3 and M4 Pure, which sums up their role as no-frills, back-to-the-roots extensions of the range. Theyíll have a little less power than the plusher models, 454bhp rather than 474bhp, but theyíll be the only M3/M4 variants without the otherwise standard eight-speed automatic transmission, and M xDrive system will be off limits too.

Instead the Pure versions (production name still tbc) will use a six-speed manual transmission, and their rear-wheel-drive layout will be complemented by a quicker-acting electronically controlled diff lock.

To underline their position as totally immersive hardcore slide-masters, the Pure editions are set to get restyled aprons front and rear, their own wheel design, an optional standalone signature paintjob (unconfirmed for the UK), special fabric and alcantara upholstery, colour-coded cabin trim and bespoke instrument graphics. Slightly cheaper and focused, the Pure versions could have what it takes to become the M divisionís real McCoys.

The Pure is the only M3/M4 offered with a manual gearbox because BMW has no stickshift that can handle more than 480lb ft Ė which higher-grade versions will exceed. Said torque comes from a twin-turbo 3.0-litre straight-six dubbed S58, the most sophisticated in-line six-cylinder unit ever conceived by the M division. Itís fitted with water-injection to cool the high combustion temperatures, and with a new petrol particulate filter to placate emissions watchdogs.

As for the M3ís two-door M4 sibling, the M4 cabriolet switches from metal to soft top when it launches late next year. Over time, M division intends to launch three additional go-faster M4s. The M4 Competition (expected 2021) benefits from more aggressive boost pressure, higher compression ratio, a more voluminous intake manifold and a less restrictive exhaust to pump out 503bhp, thus matching the C63 S AMG.
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#thesadness

The excellent dual clutch was one of the best things the M3, M4 had going for it.

I'll pass on an automatic. I don't care how good the ZF or whatever is.
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From the Digital magazine, here's a higher resolution render plus article...

By the way "Pure" is already used here in Australia for pared-down versions of M cars, eg M2 Pure...

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so they are claiming both M3 and M4 will be released in Frankfurt this Sept?? how is that possible
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Those HP numbers with regards to the competition in the segment aren't going to get it done unless it goes on a massive diet.
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Those HP numbers with regards to the competition in the segment aren't going to get it done unless it goes on a massive diet.
~480 HP with AWD will get you into the 11s stock easily. What other competition is there? C63S has ~20 more horses, but it's heavy and still RWD. RS5 is heavy and has less power.
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Iíd like to see the new G80/82/83 with BMWís 4.4L V8 rather then a possible water injected engine from the GTS with between 450-475HP. Who wants to add distilled water every couple of fill ups? When Mercedes-AMG C63S gets redone, which is already a little past 500HP, Iím sure itís going to get a significant bump in HP. In the end the new G80 will be just as quick as the AMG despite it all. Iíll take mine in RWD please.
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Iíd like to see the new G80/82/83 with BMWís 4.4L V8 rather then a possible water injected engine from the GTS with between 450-475HP. Who wants to add distilled water every couple of fill ups? When Mercedes-AMG C63S gets redone, which is already a little past 500HP, Iím sure itís going to get a significant bump in HP. In the end the new G80 will be just as quick as the AMG despite it all. Iíll take mine in RWD please.
Well, since we are wishful thinking. I'd like to see a new D&P injected twin turbocharged 4 liter V8 G8X making 600 HP with on the fly AWD, 35MPG, and a 3400lb curb weight fully loaded. AS it stands the AMG S might have more HP than the F8X, but it's hardly faster.
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#thesadness

The excellent dual clutch was one of the best things the M3, M4 had going for it.

I'll pass on an automatic. I don't care how good the ZF or whatever is.
I'm with you there, 6MT or DCT but not a torque converter. I just hope the 6MT is competition spec or whatever - a more hardcore version than the entry 8AT version.
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From the Digital magazine, here's a higher resolution render plus article...

By the way "Pure" is already used here in Australia for pared-down versions of M cars, eg M2 Pure...
Arghh this style of render pisses me off! Lets take the normal car and add in random recent M wheels and some other random styling cues (F80 rear arches) and call it a render. There is about a 1000% chance the G80 M3 won't have the F90 M5 Comp Pack wheels.
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There is a market for AWD/6MT sedan.
BMW should do a 6MT in the non-pure models, IMO.

I like the direction they are taking.
Hoping (Pure) has 18” and 19” wheel options.
No adaptive suspension.
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~480 HP with AWD will get you into the 11s stock easily. What other competition is there? C63S has ~20 more horses, but it's heavy and still RWD. RS5 is heavy and has less power.
Not when the car is going to probably push 4000+ lbs after the AWD is added. I could buy that argument if the weight stays the same.

Going this route doesn't widen the gap in the segment. Mercedes and the like can easily surpass this in their next iterations. Who knows maybe I'm wrong, but this last generation was a toss up for those looking at the competition.
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I’d like to see the new G80/82/83 with BMW’s 4.4L V8 rather then a possible water injected engine from the GTS with between 450-475HP. Who wants to add distilled water every couple of fill ups?
I am particularly skeptical about the water injection claim. I don't think such a measure will be necessary to hit the power goals. In fact, I suspect that with likely improvements upon the S55 in the block/head cooling passages, combustion chamber design, induction, etc., the S58 will be able to go to 500hp and beyond without water injection.

At any rate, BMW is not putting a V8 in the M3 ever again, and neither is anyone else in this class.

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It may indeed get a power bump. However, it almost surely will do so not with the M177 V8, but with a new more powerful iteration of Mercedes' M256 inline six. Tobias Moers has strongly hinted that the top-tier W206 Mercedes-AMG C Class will see a reduction in cylinders from today's W205 C63, and that engine will be the only corporate six cylinder going forward.

There is also a good chance that some form of AWD is offered for the next C class AMG as well, not just because of the fact that the M3 is strongly rumored to get AWD, but because the Tesla Model 3 Performance also cannot be ignored either. So, Mercedes will probably have the same weight management challenges as BMW will. And we already know who has won that battle in the past.
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A used CPO Porsche 911 Carrera 4 GTS will become even more interesting as the M3/4 prices continu climbing.
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Hmmm sounds like bmw just needs to start building e90s in 6 speed again.. no need to build a whole car around it..
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ZF auto is good but it's not a DCT and it still drives like an auto.

6MT for me or M2C with a 6 speed.

It's such a shame because their DCT was so damn good.
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Seems like some negative comments in this thread, but I would definitely be interested in this version ("Pure") of G80 and it would likely keep me from switching to an M2.

All the luxury items are great, but I am more concerned about the driving experience and can forgo amenities to get that.
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Why oh Why can we not get 6MT/M-AWD?

This is the sweet spot that will likely have me pony up to order another one but without giving me that combination new and 480+ out of the box, there's a lot of other used options likely to be begging for my benjamins.
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I'll take the Pure RWD only model with the 6MT, with no options besides Wheels and CCB's, provided the exhaust note sounds halfway decent this time around. Then again, I could still be better off with a used 991.1 Carrera 2S with a 6MT at the same price or cheaper.
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