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Future M-Cars to Use Tech from BMW i (Update: M CEO Confirms, but with Conditions)

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March 7, 2019 Update:
"Electrification needs to deserve the M badge", says BMW M CEO

Following up on the related discussion about incorporating BMW i electrification technology into future M-cars, BMW M has confirmed that this is, indeed, in the works, but the electrified M products will only be released when they meet certain requirements.

Markus Flasch, BMW M's new boss since fourth-quarter of 2018, has spoken more about the electrification process within BMW M.

Speaking with CarBuzz at Geneva, Flasch says "We will put the train on the rails during my term [as M division chief]"

"If we’re going to see something in the next 3 to 6 years it’s not something I can discuss today, but we are working on all types of electrification, all types of concepts.”

Electrification is certainly a hot-topic for debate, especially among BMW enthusiasts (and even more so, when on the topic of M-cars).
However, Flasch wanted to make it clear that electrification does not mean that BMW M is giving up on driving dynamics.

"Electrification needs to deserve the M badge,” he said. "We are in the lucky position that with our current engine lineup we are fulfilling all (emissions) regulations worldwide. We are happy. Our customers are happy. I don’t have the urge to put something to market as a test to see if it performs as well as the current M5. I will only put an electrified M5 to the market as soon as it outperforms the current one. But this is what we’re working towards.”

The BMW M CEO continues to elaborate and implies that electrification of M-cars is more than just about acceleration and power.
He states the objective of extracting as much character as possible to maintain the driving experience of future electrified M-cars as emotional experiences.

"Electrification is not just about propulsion technology. It’s the way you apply it, the way you control it. It’s the way the chassis and engine systems cooperate. Character is key. I think there is a way to get an EV or a plug-in hybrid extremely emotional, but it’s more than just adding components together and putting a badge on it. There’s still a lot of know-how that needs to go into this.”

It's safe to say that there's still a while to go in terms of R&D, and there is no immediate short-term timeline that can be confirmed.
But what is known is that within both BMW i and BMW M, work has already started as far as drivetrain and chassis development and testing.

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There is currently dialogue and the beginnings of cooperation between BMW's M and i divisions regarding incorporating electrified powertrains and assists into BMW M-cars.

This follows the electrification trend where BMW has introduced more and more electrified vehicles into its lineup with each coming generation.

Until now, cars developed by the M Division have been designed, engineered, and sold without these technologies in mind.

However, this is likely to change in the near future.

Speaking to Auto Express at the 2019 Geneva Motor Show, Robert Irlinger, Head of BMW's i Division, said that his team was already working with the M Division to deliver electrification in performance cars.

“You will see electrified vehicles in M division as well,” Irlinger said. “We are in talks with all of the other BMW Group brands and sub-brands - Rolls-Royce, MINI and yes, M division - and you will see electrification coming across onto their products. It will be at differing levels, of course, but it will happen. We are working with them, right now.

He added: “There are some real advantages from incorporating electric power into performance vehicles. You have immediate torque delivery which can give you acceleration while a combustion engine is still thinking about it. These advantages we will spread to the whole brands, in a specific way.”


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Future electrification of BMW M cars has already been the subject of much discussion and speculation in recent years.

In 2016, BMW executive Ian Robertson said that BMW was open towards electrified, hybrid M-cars.
In 2017, BMW M's then CEO Frank Van Meel spoke of pure electric M-cars as inevitable in the future, with hybrid powertrains being available during the transitional period.

We have seen rhetoric from top BMW executives and management change from a soft tone speaking about considering options and recognizing the future prospect of electrification to more concrete statements such as those made above this year at Geneva, where BMW i has already begun working with BMW M to deliver electrified solutions in future platforms.


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If done well (a la mclaren etc. and less i8,
but cheaper) then this could be really cool.
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Not a surprise. Porsche 918 technology has merits and M engineers are paying attention to competition.
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you didnt read then, they said gas engine will still be there
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BMW M would be wise to have a KERS type system for massive torque. In some ways I'm kinda waiting for them to do this but I really miss having a true M car (M5/M3).
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Do you think it'll be too soon to expect this in the next M3/4 or could it be a possibility?
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Too soon junior
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Natch

BMW will put an M BADGE anywhere they can if they feel there is money to be made.
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Should it have coal too?
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Do you think it'll be too soon to expect this in the next M3/4 or could it be a possibility?
Too soon. Next M3 and M4 will be the last pure internal combustion engines in an M car and will be in production until 2027 probably. The next M5 might be the first hybrid-electric ///M car they make in 2024. I for one would like to see a hybrid M5 just so long as they get rid of the S63tu motor and design some sort of Internal Combustion Engine that is all new, even if it has less cylinders.
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Should it have coal too?
Only clean coal... lol :
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Are they gonna call it MI3?
Looking forward to the MI5 and MI6 in the future.
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Are they gonna call it MI3?
Looking forward to the MI5 and MI6 in the future.
And have Tom Cruise endorse it and features in new MI movie.
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I actually wouldn't mind seeing, instead of having x-drive, them putting electric motors at the front and keeping the gas engine powering the rear wheels in order to keep the weight down.
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Using electric to augment gaps in the power delivery and power train is going to be epic!

Spin up turbos with an electric motor instantly as opposed to waiting for exhaust gases to do it.

That's just one example of the many options.
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Hmm, wonder how this would turn out to be?
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From someone who loves motorcycles and cars getting off of petroleum products and fossil fuel's to stop polluting our air and environment sounds good of course. It's going to happen anyway, it's time to start doing it now.

Hell Ford's Model T was supposed to run on peanut and soy oil. But the petroleum industry had too much power and pull. Where eventually going to run out of it anyway, so it's time to start thinking BIG. And I'm sure with all the smart brains out their performance will not be a sacrifice but only will increased in due time. The tech probably already exists but it has been suppressed.
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Do you think it'll be too soon to expect this in the next M3/4 or could it be a possibility?
Too soon. Next M3 and M4 will be the last pure internal combustion engines in an M car and will be in production until 2027 probably. The next M5 might be the first hybrid-electric ///M car they make in 2024. I for one would like to see a hybrid M5 just so long as they get rid of the S63tu motor and design some sort of Internal Combustion Engine that is all new, even if it has less cylinders.
If we can get a hybrid M3, imagine the torque. A little Tesla but I still want to hear the turbos and engine and exhaust roar. Maybe fix the exhaust note!

I want a 3.3-5 0-60 with the hybrid M3/4!
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I will definitely buy a PHEV ///M Car.

It will go well with driving electric as a daily.
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Using electric to augment gaps in the power delivery and power train is going to be epic!

Spin up turbos with an electric motor instantly as opposed to waiting for exhaust gases to do it.

That's just one example of the many options.
exactly.
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