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      07-03-2019, 12:28 PM   #1
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July 2019 Update:

A new model will be added to the G30 5 Series lineup at LCI: 545e xDrive. It will have the same drivetrain as the new 745e, slightly detuned to 375hp.

G22 4 Series is coming as expected in July 2020. It will mostly copy the G20 lineup, with one exception: RWD M440i seems unlikely. Don't expect manuals in the U.S.

Mild hybrid tech I mentioned first in the May update will start expanding quickly next year (G22 will have it at intro, but it'll find its way into G05, G07, probably others I simply haven't noticed).
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      07-05-2019, 11:10 AM   #2
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Added: 545e, first bits of info about G22.
With the G22 m440 leaning xdrive only do you see any plans to kill the USA only m340 rwd? Obviously this piece of data would tell us the m340 xdrive is doing the lions share of the sales.... I can't imagine the biz case to sustain one platform variant for one market (albeit the largest one for this car) would be strong?
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      07-05-2019, 12:59 PM   #3
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What about the F34? There have been reports in the german press that it would get EOP'd next year due to space constraints in Dingolfing and plans to build electric drivetrains there. That doesn't sound very logical to me, but?
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With the G22 m440 leaning xdrive only do you see any plans to kill the USA only m340 rwd?
Both of these questions are hitting in my blind spot: I know how long each model _can_ exist but I can't say if that potential lifecycle is going to be shortened by external factors. For example, when BMW stopped selling F06/F12/F13 earlier than the original EOLs of those models, it was as surprising for me as for everyone else because that was driven by sales and/or Dingolfing constraints, that is the same factors that could affect F34 and M340i RWD.

In the case of F36 above I can answer with more confidence because I know there's a direct successor to the model and I know when it's planned to be introduced. There's also no plant change: the same production line building F36 today will start building G26 two years from now.

Going back to M340i RWD, there's one thing that makes me think it's here to stay: it'll be built at SLP. That plant is focused on the U.S. market so the models it builds can be unique to the U.S. without creating too much inefficiency in the rest of the system.

Also - as long as y'all keep buying it, BMW will keep building it.
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      07-06-2019, 06:19 PM   #4
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No 6MT for G22 either which makes sense but xDrive only for M440i? Interesting.

6MT is truly only for M3/M4 now (I hope...)!
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No 6MT for G22 either which makes sense but xDrive only for M440i? Interesting.

6MT is truly only for M3/M4 now (I hope...)!
The M340 is only offered in xDrive variants outside of the states, so this makes sense to me. I'd say the USA M340 will go the same direction by the time the G20 LCI hits (if not before then). Remember, the M340 being offered in RWD for USA only was somewhat of a game-time decision.
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No 6MT for G22 either which makes sense but xDrive only for M440i? Interesting.

6MT is truly only for M3/M4 now (I hope...)!
It's truly a sad day if both these things are true.
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So is it safe to assume the 330e will not announced until 2020? Any guess as to month?
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It's sad but reality that MT will disappear

I am grabbing the G80 MT and will keep it for very long time
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July 2019 Update:

A new model will be added to the G30 5 Series lineup at LCI: 545e xDrive. It will have the same drivetrain as the new 745e, slightly detuned to 375hp.

G22 4 Series is coming as expected in July 2020. It will mostly copy the G20 lineup, with one exception: RWD M440i seems unlikely. Don't expect manuals in the U.S.

Mild hybrid tech I mentioned first in the May update will start expanding quickly next year (G22 will have it at intro, but it'll find its way into G05, G07, probably others I simply haven't noticed).
Where can we expect to find manual transmission G serie cars in North America?
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Where can we expect to find manual transmission G serie cars in North America?
You won't, unless it's an M car (maybe).
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Where can we expect to find manual transmission G serie cars in North America?
You won't, unless it's an M car (maybe).
Yup
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Where can we expect to find manual transmission G serie cars in North America?
You won't, unless it's an M car (maybe).
Yup
I'm kind of shocked they decided to bring back the 545 and 745 badging, considering the complete failures that were associated with those badges.
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Where can we expect to find manual transmission G serie cars in North America?
You won't, unless it's an M car (maybe).
Even for the G80 it's not sure so maybe the G42 and the G87.
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July 2019 Update:

A new model will be added to the G30 5 Series lineup at LCI: 545e xDrive. It will have the same drivetrain as the new 745e, slightly detuned to 375hp.

G22 4 Series is coming as expected in July 2020. It will mostly copy the G20 lineup, with one exception: RWD M440i seems unlikely. Don't expect manuals in the U.S.

Mild hybrid tech I mentioned first in the May update will start expanding quickly next year (G22 will have it at intro, but it'll find its way into G05, G07, probably others I simply haven't noticed).
Anyone know what the electric only range will be on the 545e
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July 2019 Update:

A new model will be added to the G30 5 Series lineup at LCI: 545e xDrive. It will have the same drivetrain as the new 745e, slightly detuned to 375hp.

G22 4 Series is coming as expected in July 2020. It will mostly copy the G20 lineup, with one exception: RWD M440i seems unlikely. Don't expect manuals in the U.S.

Mild hybrid tech I mentioned first in the May update will start expanding quickly next year (G22 will have it at intro, but it'll find its way into G05, G07, probably others I simply haven't noticed).
Anyone know what the electric only range will be on the 545e
I suppose the same than the 745e more or less 50 km... not so much !
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I'm kind of shocked they decided to bring back the 545 and 745 badging, considering the complete failures that were associated with those badges.
Can you elaborate?
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I really just want a new gen 4 series Gran Coupe M440I or a M4 Gran Coupe
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I'm kind of shocked they decided to bring back the 545 and 745 badging, considering the complete failures that were associated with those badges.
Can you elaborate?
Yeah. Why was it a failure? Bad handling I'm assuming.

I've always thought the 6 cylinder with the electric motor and a small battery pack would be great. Don't know why they keep de-tuning the engines. Presumably for MPG. It would be nice to see a b58 full blown with the electric for a >450hp shove.


Also with the 545 any suspect they would put a sporty suspension offering?
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I've always thought the 6 cylinder with the electric motor and a small battery pack would be great. Don't know why they keep de-tuning the engines. Presumably for MPG. It would be nice to see a b58 full blown with the electric for a >450hp shove.
Hasn't Mercedes just done with this with the *53 engine?
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I've always thought the 6 cylinder with the electric motor and a small battery pack would be great. Don't know why they keep de-tuning the engines. Presumably for MPG. It would be nice to see a b58 full blown with the electric for a >450hp shove.
Hasn't Mercedes just done with this with the *53 engine?
Yes, that's correct.
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I've always thought the 6 cylinder with the electric motor and a small battery pack would be great. Don't know why they keep de-tuning the engines. Presumably for MPG. It would be nice to see a b58 full blown with the electric for a >450hp shove.
Hasn't Mercedes just done with this with the *53 engine?
That only has a 21hp and very small battery. Not really an electrical motor you can cruise off of as a primary mode. The bmw I could drive to work 100% on electric, charge up and drive home again.

But the e53 a really fascinating engine with the electric supercharger and turbo and electric motor etc.
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A new model will be added to the G30 5 Series lineup at LCI: 545e xDrive.

What about the G31? Will the Touring finally have the hybrid as well or do we have to wait for the complete new model in 2023?

Oh do enlighten us plz!
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