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      03-24-2020, 09:21 AM   #1
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Looks like C/D has been enjoying their M340i although interestingly they did note about having to add oil twice before 10k similar to what some forum members here have been noting about the B58's oil consumption. Other complaints were mainly due to the seats not being comfortable for some, the digital gauge cluster, as well as the hallmark of any modern BMW, numb steering.

"The logbook is filling up with comments gushing at how much the new 3-series and its G20 platform have improved. Former editor-in-chief Eddie Alterman noted the stiffer structure and sorted body control over the previous 3-series generation (F30), writing, 'The ride is firm, but the jolts are not.' He went on to compare it to an E39-generation BMW M5 with only one thing keeping it from its best impersonation. Care to take a guess? If you're thinking steering, you are correct. BMW, the complaint box is getting full. Are you ready to listen to us?"

"We had to add two quarts of oil over the first 10,000 miles, one at 4500 miles and another just before the service visit. While adding oil to any modern engine might be cause for concern, our dealer assures us it's within normal tolerances. For now, we'll take their word for it, but it's something we'll be watching closely."


Full Article -> https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-maintenance/
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Looks like C/D has been enjoying their M340i although interestingly they did note about having to add oil twice before 10k similar to what some forum members here have been noting about the B58's oil consumption. Other complaints were mainly due to the seats not being comfortable for some, the digital gauge cluster, as well as the hallmark of any modern BMW, numb steering.

"The logbook is filling up with comments gushing at how much the new 3-series and its G20 platform have improved. Former editor-in-chief Eddie Alterman noted the stiffer structure and sorted body control over the previous 3-series generation (F30), writing, 'The ride is firm, but the jolts are not.' He went on to compare it to an E39-generation BMW M5 with only one thing keeping it from its best impersonation. Care to take a guess? If you're thinking steering, you are correct. BMW, the complaint box is getting full. Are you ready to listen to us?"

"We had to add two quarts of oil over the first 10,000 miles, one at 4500 miles and another just before the service visit. While adding oil to any modern engine might be cause for concern, our dealer assures us it's within normal tolerances. For now, we'll take their word for it, but it's something we'll be watching closely."


Full Article -> https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-maintenance/
Interesting enough I had to get an oil change around 6300 miles and did mine at 10k as well. Currently have 11,300 miles on the car and no other issues besides the annoying recalls
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How can two quarts within 10k meet dealer normal consumption??
Id be pissed.. wheres it going?? Wheres it burning?? Just kinda writing that off??
And.... how does this translate to long term ownership.. are all the parts getting the oil they need despite "normal" consumption???
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Everyone fawning over the E39 M5's steering seems to forget it was a recirculating ball setup. A setup others were criticized for using, due to already being outdated in the late 80's and early 90's.
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Everyone fawning over the E39 M5's steering seems to forget it was a recirculating ball setup. A setup others were criticized for using, due to already being outdated in the late 80's and early 90's.
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interesting on the oil. Ill have to look into that and see what the history has shown on our end with customers cars.
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Everyone fawning over the E39 M5's steering seems to forget it was a recirculating ball setup. A setup others were criticized for using, due to already being outdated in the late 80's and early 90's.
Yup. As a previous owner of an E39 M5, I agree while it wasn't the most tactile of steering setups of the time, it was definitely far from being as numb as modern BMW EPS.

Not exactly a great steering benchmark for the G20 to be held to... But it is telling: if it is even worse than the E39 M5's, then damn it must be totally devoid of any feedback whatsoever.
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How can two quarts within 10k meet dealer normal consumption??
Id be pissed.. wheres it going?? Wheres it burning?? Just kinda writing that off??
And.... how does this translate to long term ownership.. are all the parts getting the oil they need despite "normal" consumption???
Horrid!
If I recall, BMW tried telling everyone with N63 V8 engines that the threshold for "normal operation" was a quart of oil every 750 miles. So look on the bright side - this is a huge improvement.
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This car seems really great sans the whole front face and the auto only gear box. Bet it rips though
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I would not take 2 quarts of oil in 10,000 miles with a grain of salt either. Regarding BMW steering feel, this being my first BMW, I guess ignorance is bliss. My F80 CS feels very good. A
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How can two quarts within 10k meet dealer normal consumption??
Id be pissed.. wheres it going?? Wheres it burning?? Just kinda writing that off??
And.... how does this translate to long term ownership.. are all the parts getting the oil they need despite "normal" consumption???
Horrid!
On the last oil thread we found that one car had faulty sensor and since there is no dip stick - there is no way to tell. Dealer has to drain it and measure volume.

Also test car for C/D is probably driven really hard. Bouncing any car of the rev limiter all the time will produce some oil consumption in turbo engine.
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interesting on the oil. Ill have to look into that and see what the history has shown on our end with customers cars.
Already had to put a qt in ours. 8/19 build around 4400 miles it asked for it
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interesting on the oil. Ill have to look into that and see what the history has shown on our end with customers cars.
Already had to put a qt in ours. 8/19 build around 4400 miles it asked for it
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How can two quarts within 10k meet dealer normal consumption??
Id be pissed.. wheres it going?? Wheres it burning?? Just kinda writing that off??
And.... how does this translate to long term ownership.. are all the parts getting the oil they need despite "normal" consumption???
Horrid!
I'm definitely going to watch this.

that said I once had a 2010 Audi that needed a quart of oil every 2000 or so miles.... and eventually got down to every 700 or so. Audi said it was normal. it was definitely not.
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Everyone fawning over the E39 M5's steering seems to forget it was a recirculating ball setup. A setup others were criticized for using, due to already being outdated in the late 80's and early 90's.
And the E39 530 and 540 had a rack and pinion setup. The irony!
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Prob compared it to the e39 M5 b/c of the size of the G20? Doesn't really compare well with the e46 and e90 anymore.

Regardless, ditto on the steering. In 10k miles i went from it's decent -> it's adequate -> it's okay -> meh.

Things could be worse- Is anyone on here old enough to remember when BMW majorly F*cked up the steering on some 2001 E46 models? After MASSIVE backlash they corrected it very quickly. I got stuck with one of these cars and had to trade it in for an '02 model. Wish they still listened to feedback.
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As the original owner of a 2001 M5 I was concerned about initial oil use to the point that I bought a case and carried it in my trunk. It tapered off considerably after a few thousand miles and aside from regular oil changes at 3,000 to 5,000 miles I have only added 2 quarts in the last 18 years. I went with wider tires up front and a little camber and steering is wonderful!
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I'm definitely going to watch this.

that said I once had a 2010 Audi that needed a quart of oil every 2000 or so miles.... and eventually got down to every 700 or so. Audi said it was normal. it was definitely not.

Was that the notorious A4 4 cylinder oil consumption debacle? I remember, had to put a quart in every 800 miles!

I lobbied hard to Audi NA and did qualify for the piston ring replacement and it was fine after that. Sold the car pretty quickly after that though.
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Prob compared it to the e39 M5 b/c of the size of the G20? Doesn't really compare well with the e46 and e90 anymore.

Regardless, ditto on the steering. In 10k miles i went from it's decent -> it's adequate -> it's okay -> meh.

Things could be worse- Is anyone on here old enough to remember when BMW majorly F*cked up the steering on some 2001 E46 models? After MASSIVE backlash they corrected it very quickly. I got stuck with one of these cars and had to trade it in for an '02 model. Wish they still listened to feedback.
Nothing that a firmware update couldn't fix..
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Is anyone on here old enough to remember when BMW majorly F*cked up the steering on some 2001 E46 models? After MASSIVE backlash they corrected it very quickly.
Yes, I remember this. Back in 2000 when the E46 first came out I still had an E36 and got a E46 323i as a loaner. It had incredibly light steering (for a BMW at least) and was definitely over-boosted. Looking back today I'd take it over any of the modern steering racks when it comes to feedback, but I still miss my E36,46 and wife's E90 steering.

Sad to see that back in the day BMW would actually listen to that feedback and quickly make changes. Meanwhile today, its officially been an entire decade of electric steering in BMW's, and they've been ignoring the very loud criticism since day 1.
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There is nothing normal about the B58 oil consumption reported by C/D. It's a problem which BMW ought to invest time and money to investigate.
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Iím over 15,000 miles and havenít needed to add a drop. Iíve had my first oil change of course.
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