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      06-01-2020, 08:37 PM   #1
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I just tested my M2C against my bro M340i Xdrive, after several passes the best time for the M2C was 12,96 against 12,6 for the M340i, the new G20 is a beast, it pulls from the line like a freighter, after driving both cars I can say the new B58 engine its way better than the S55, the sound is way better, so much that you don`t want to hear the rasppy S55 again, both cars have downpipes and were tested in the exact same place, the time corrected for the slope was 12,52 (m2) vs 12,32 (m340), be aware that this test was performed at over 9800 ft so times are about a second slower than at sea level. The M2C was tested at the dyno and it throw 479 whp so respect for the new M340i.

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479 whp? That would be the first stock M2 that read that high to the wheels in history.

Also, it kind of looks like different days/temperatures.

Not saying the M340 cannot scoot fast as hell, but nothing about this is near scientific.

Oh and I forgot, regardless of whether an AWD M340 is fast in straight line, take them both to the same track or the same canyon and tell me with a straight face you would rather have the M340 than an actual M car.

We went to an M Track Days at Thermal with BMWCCA back in January and I drove both back to back on their autocross course and the deficiencies on the M340 in comparison to the M2C in control, planted feeling, capability is very apparent.

Though the M340 was not a bad car all said. Definitely better than previous 335/340s compared to their respective M iterations.

Probably going to get shit on for this post, so let me just say that this is my subjective opinion, and I concede that the M340 is definitely quick.
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479 whp? That would be the first stock M2 that read that high to the wheels in history.

Also, it kind of looks like different days/temperatures.

Not saying the M340 cannot scoot fast as hell, but nothing about this is near scientific.

Oh and I forgot, regardless of whether an AWD M340 is fast in straight line, take them both to the same track or the same canyon and tell me with a straight face you would rather have the M340 than an actual M car.

We went to an M Track Days at Thermal with BMWCCA back in January and I drove both back to back on their autocross course and the deficiencies on the M340 in comparison to the M2C in control, planted feeling, capability is very apparent.

Though the M340 was not a bad car all said. Definitely better than previous 335/340s compared to their respective M iterations.

Probably going to get shit on for this post, so let me just say that this is my subjective opinion, and I concede that the M340 is definitely quick.
I won't crap on you for your opinion. I think people get caught up in "this is better than that" when in reality, most of us car guys want them both. I've driven the M2C and when I drove it I loved every bit of the performance aspect of it. I immediately felt like I was in a race car and it drove and handled like a race car. Fast, light, quick handling, and was fun as f*ck. I was in love with it for the short time I drove it but there were things I didn't like about it. It doesn't by any means make it a bad or less good car than the M340i I wound up with but for me, it wasn't the right car. I have autocrossed an M340i and it was really impressive but would the M2C been more fun? Most likely but I don't autocross anymore so back to the everyday awesomeness of the M340.

The M2C was small and cramped. It's a small car and that's part of what makes it good but it's not what I wanted for a DD and I have a kid which the M2 doesn't accommodate as well as the M340. The M2C was awesome at being a race car on the street but I don't want that feeling in a DD. It's just not for me. To me, and probably everyone who has one, the M340 is the best blend of power, performance, tech, sport, comfort, size, and price that BMW offers the enthusiast right now. It does so many things so well.

The M2C is probably the best "pure" M car right now and I would love one. If I won the lottery I'd probably get one but it wouldn't be my only car. The M340 is the best overall BMW right now. They're both good. They're just made for different purposes.

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479 whp? That would be the first stock M2 that read that high to the wheels in history.
The OP stated that both cars had down pipes. HP still sounds high to me, but they never claimed it was stock.
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479 whp? That would be the first stock M2 that read that high to the wheels in history.
The OP stated that both cars had down pipes. HP still sounds high to me, but they never claimed it was stock.
Must have read it wrong, I think you are right. But just down pipes doesn't get you that power gain, I agree.
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479 whp? That would be the first stock M2 that read that high to the wheels in history.

Also, it kind of looks like different days/temperatures.

Not saying the M340 cannot scoot fast as hell, but nothing about this is near scientific.

Oh and I forgot, regardless of whether an AWD M340 is fast in straight line, take them both to the same track or the same canyon and tell me with a straight face you would rather have the M340 than an actual M car.

We went to an M Track Days at Thermal with BMWCCA back in January and I drove both back to back on their autocross course and the deficiencies on the M340 in comparison to the M2C in control, planted feeling, capability is very apparent.

Though the M340 was not a bad car all said. Definitely better than previous 335/340s compared to their respective M iterations.

Probably going to get shit on for this post, so let me just say that this is my subjective opinion, and I concede that the M340 is definitely quick.
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479 whp? That would be the first stock M2 that read that high to the wheels in history.

Also, it kind of looks like different days/temperatures.

Not saying the M340 cannot scoot fast as hell, but nothing about this is near scientific.

Oh and I forgot, regardless of whether an AWD M340 is fast in straight line, take them both to the same track or the same canyon and tell me with a straight face you would rather have the M340 than an actual M car.

We went to an M Track Days at Thermal with BMWCCA back in January and I drove both back to back on their autocross course and the deficiencies on the M340 in comparison to the M2C in control, planted feeling, capability is very apparent.

Though the M340 was not a bad car all said. Definitely better than previous 335/340s compared to their respective M iterations.

Probably going to get shit on for this post, so let me just say that this is my subjective opinion, and I concede that the M340 is definitely quick.
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Im driving the M2C for over 18000 kms, both cars are good but if you compare them just by what you feel on track you answer always going to be the same, but believe me I'm a fan of race cars and race for several years but the m2c isn't the great M that everybody talks about, BMW lent you the car before you buy it on the track and for a few laps at least thats my experience, but that doesn't give you the full perspective of the car, as an long time owner I can tell that the S55 is not a good engine, brakes start to fade even in street use, suspension is way to stiff and don't let you put the power on the ground, the diff cracks every time you put it on a slope and finally the car is extremely heavy. Would I buy it again, no,

Here is the dyno graph first number is with DPS and the second one Stock if you doubt It put that power on the wheels. I'm not giving you shit for your post, really apréciate different opinions I'm just giving my perspective as a long time owner and a person that beats the shit out of the cars Hahahahaha, and finally we have tested them in at the same time but the results are always the same, the M340 goes off the line first and stays there most of the time, I'm able to catch after 800 mts more o less but there's no third person to film yet.
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479 whp? That would be the first stock M2 that read that high to the wheels in history.

Also, it kind of looks like different days/temperatures.

Not saying the M340 cannot scoot fast as hell, but nothing about this is near scientific.

Oh and I forgot, regardless of whether an AWD M340 is fast in straight line, take them both to the same track or the same canyon and tell me with a straight face you would rather have the M340 than an actual M car.

We went to an M Track Days at Thermal with BMWCCA back in January and I drove both back to back on their autocross course and the deficiencies on the M340 in comparison to the M2C in control, planted feeling, capability is very apparent.

Though the M340 was not a bad car all said. Definitely better than previous 335/340s compared to their respective M iterations.

Probably going to get shit on for this post, so let me just say that this is my subjective opinion, and I concede that the M340 is definitely quick.
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479 whp? That would be the first stock M2 that read that high to the wheels in history.

Also, it kind of looks like different days/temperatures.

Not saying the M340 cannot scoot fast as hell, but nothing about this is near scientific.

Oh and I forgot, regardless of whether an AWD M340 is fast in straight line, take them both to the same track or the same canyon and tell me with a straight face you would rather have the M340 than an actual M car.

We went to an M Track Days at Thermal with BMWCCA back in January and I drove both back to back on their autocross course and the deficiencies on the M340 in comparison to the M2C in control, planted feeling, capability is very apparent.

Though the M340 was not a bad car all said. Definitely better than previous 335/340s compared to their respective M iterations.

Probably going to get shit on for this post, so let me just say that this is my subjective opinion, and I concede that the M340 is definitely quick.
[IMG][/IMG]

Im driving the M2C for over 18000 kms, both cars are good but if you compare them just by what you feel on track you answer always going to be the same, but believe me I'm a fan of race cars and race for several years but the m2c isn't the great M that everybody talks about, BMW lent you the car before you buy it on the track and for a few laps at least thats my experience, but that doesn't give you the full perspective of the car, as an long time owner I can tell that the S55 is not a good engine, brakes start to fade even in street use, suspension is way to stiff and don't let you put the power on the ground, the diff cracks every time you put it on a slope and finally the car is extremely heavy. Would I buy it again, no,

Here is the dyno graph first number is with DPS and the second one Stock if you doubt It put that power on the wheels. I'm not giving you shit for your post, really apréciate different opinions I'm just giving my perspective as a long time owner and a person that beats the shit out of the cars Hahahahaha, and finally we have tested them in at the same time but the results are always the same, the M340 goes off the line first and stays there most of the time, I'm able to catch after 800 mts more o less but there's no third person to film yet.
I didn't just have limited time in the M2C at a track experience, only the M340. I have had 6+ years of seat time in S55s between two F80s and now an M2C with a decent amount of miles on it and a ton of canyon and track time. And I can tell you that the M2C is absolutely what everyone says it is - and 100% the best car I have ever owned and I have been through a lot. So your experience is contrary to nearly EVERY OTHER PERSON who has owned it has said. The engine, the brakes, etc are light years better than the M340 and it's B58, so get out of here with that nonsense.

As to your dyno, I'll say the same I said before with out a tune those just downpipe numbers don't make any sense and would be the highest reading downpipes in history and you need to post the link to them on the S55 forum because you found the gold standard.

All that said, sure we can disagree, it's opinion. No worries.
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You have your opinion I respect it, you don´t want to hear a different opinion so theres no much room for debate there. For the DPs, what I know is that they are some regular DPs with no brand on them made for my tunners in the USA, Im not sure why it gave the car that power increase, don´t think is the DPs desing they just look like regular DPs from other brands, but its looks like u know more so I just attached some pics maybe I´m wrong. What I think, my car is a EU spec with no OPFs, thats what they send to my country, so BMW cranks UP the boost by 0.2 bar to compensate, but if theres no OPFs any improvement in the exhaust will give better results, but im just speculating. If you want to try them you can contact big boost turbo LLC, is the USA brand owned by my tunner, they have try them on two M2C here and the results were exactly the same.
I just attached some other pics so u can check the dyno numers by yourself.
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Sweet, my wife will be happy to see this with her M340. That shop you get your work done at looks first class, very clean. Amazing times frankly for 9800 feet above sea level. I'm at 5200 feet above and thought we had it bad.

Thanks for sharing!
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It will beat the hell out of most cars on the road and probably m5 too
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M340i had a better 60' so we all know launch makes a day and night difference, but also look at the M2C @ 111 mph vs m340i 107 mph.
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OP it doesn't matter what's people opinion is!

M or no M it's what you like and what's the best for your budget.

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479 whp? That would be the first stock M2 that read that high to the wheels in history.

Also, it kind of looks like different days/temperatures.

Not saying the M340 cannot scoot fast as hell, but nothing about this is near scientific.

Oh and I forgot, regardless of whether an AWD M340 is fast in straight line, take them both to the same track or the same canyon and tell me with a straight face you would rather have the M340 than an actual M car.

We went to an M Track Days at Thermal with BMWCCA back in January and I drove both back to back on their autocross course and the deficiencies on the M340 in comparison to the M2C in control, planted feeling, capability is very apparent.

Though the M340 was not a bad car all said. Definitely better than previous 335/340s compared to their respective M iterations.

Probably going to get shit on for this post, so let me just say that this is my subjective opinion, and I concede that the M340 is definitely quick.
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479 whp? That would be the first stock M2 that read that high to the wheels in history.

Also, it kind of looks like different days/temperatures.

Not saying the M340 cannot scoot fast as hell, but nothing about this is near scientific.

Oh and I forgot, regardless of whether an AWD M340 is fast in straight line, take them both to the same track or the same canyon and tell me with a straight face you would rather have the M340 than an actual M car.

We went to an M Track Days at Thermal with BMWCCA back in January and I drove both back to back on their autocross course and the deficiencies on the M340 in comparison to the M2C in control, planted feeling, capability is very apparent.

Though the M340 was not a bad car all said. Definitely better than previous 335/340s compared to their respective M iterations.

Probably going to get shit on for this post, so let me just say that this is my subjective opinion, and I concede that the M340 is definitely quick.
[IMG][/IMG]

Im driving the M2C for over 18000 kms, both cars are good but if you compare them just by what you feel on track you answer always going to be the same, but believe me I'm a fan of race cars and race for several years but the m2c isn't the great M that everybody talks about, BMW lent you the car before you buy it on the track and for a few laps at least thats my experience, but that doesn't give you the full perspective of the car, as an long time owner I can tell that the S55 is not a good engine, brakes start to fade even in street use, suspension is way to stiff and don't let you put the power on the ground, the diff cracks every time you put it on a slope and finally the car is extremely heavy. Would I buy it again, no,

Here is the dyno graph first number is with DPS and the second one Stock if you doubt It put that power on the wheels. I'm not giving you shit for your post, really apréciate different opinions I'm just giving my perspective as a long time owner and a person that beats the shit out of the cars Hahahahaha, and finally we have tested them in at the same time but the results are always the same, the M340 goes off the line first and stays there most of the time, I'm able to catch after 800 mts more o less but there's no third person to film yet.
I didn't just have limited time in the M2C at a track experience, only the M340. I have had 6+ years of seat time in S55s between two F80s and now an M2C with a decent amount of miles on it and a ton of canyon and track time. And I can tell you that the M2C is absolutely what everyone says it is - and 100% the best car I have ever owned and I have been through a lot. So your experience is contrary to nearly EVERY OTHER PERSON who has owned it has said. The engine, the brakes, etc are light years better than the M340 and it's B58, so get out of here with that nonsense.

As to your dyno, I'll say the same I said before with out a tune those just downpipe numbers don't make any sense and would be the highest reading downpipes in history and you need to post the link to them on the S55 forum because you found the gold standard.

All that said, sure we can disagree, it's opinion. No worries.
Everyone eh, best car you've ever owned and drove no one can contest that. Didn't smoking tire hated the M2c and while it maybe one of BMWs best car today it still has flaws and there are far better cars.

Also for how small it is, it's still a very heavy car. Nothing OP said was a call for you to get riled up. As if to say your opinion is more valuable than all. Truly narcissistic..
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thanks for sharing this...I'd be happily taking over your M2c if you are switching to 340
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479 whp? That would be the first stock M2 that read that high to the wheels in history.

Also, it kind of looks like different days/temperatures.

Not saying the M340 cannot scoot fast as hell, but nothing about this is near scientific.

Oh and I forgot, regardless of whether an AWD M340 is fast in straight line, take them both to the same track or the same canyon and tell me with a straight face you would rather have the M340 than an actual M car.

We went to an M Track Days at Thermal with BMWCCA back in January and I drove both back to back on their autocross course and the deficiencies on the M340 in comparison to the M2C in control, planted feeling, capability is very apparent.

Though the M340 was not a bad car all said. Definitely better than previous 335/340s compared to their respective M iterations.

Probably going to get shit on for this post, so let me just say that this is my subjective opinion, and I concede that the M340 is definitely quick.
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479 whp? That would be the first stock M2 that read that high to the wheels in history.

Also, it kind of looks like different days/temperatures.

Not saying the M340 cannot scoot fast as hell, but nothing about this is near scientific.

Oh and I forgot, regardless of whether an AWD M340 is fast in straight line, take them both to the same track or the same canyon and tell me with a straight face you would rather have the M340 than an actual M car.

We went to an M Track Days at Thermal with BMWCCA back in January and I drove both back to back on their autocross course and the deficiencies on the M340 in comparison to the M2C in control, planted feeling, capability is very apparent.

Though the M340 was not a bad car all said. Definitely better than previous 335/340s compared to their respective M iterations.

Probably going to get shit on for this post, so let me just say that this is my subjective opinion, and I concede that the M340 is definitely quick.
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Im driving the M2C for over 18000 kms, both cars are good but if you compare them just by what you feel on track you answer always going to be the same, but believe me I'm a fan of race cars and race for several years but the m2c isn't the great M that everybody talks about, BMW lent you the car before you buy it on the track and for a few laps at least thats my experience, but that doesn't give you the full perspective of the car, as an long time owner I can tell that the S55 is not a good engine, brakes start to fade even in street use, suspension is way to stiff and don't let you put the power on the ground, the diff cracks every time you put it on a slope and finally the car is extremely heavy. Would I buy it again, no,

Here is the dyno graph first number is with DPS and the second one Stock if you doubt It put that power on the wheels. I'm not giving you shit for your post, really apréciate different opinions I'm just giving my perspective as a long time owner and a person that beats the shit out of the cars Hahahahaha, and finally we have tested them in at the same time but the results are always the same, the M340 goes off the line first and stays there most of the time, I'm able to catch after 800 mts more o less but there's no third person to film yet.
I didn't just have limited time in the M2C at a track experience, only the M340. I have had 6+ years of seat time in S55s between two F80s and now an M2C with a decent amount of miles on it and a ton of canyon and track time. And I can tell you that the M2C is absolutely what everyone says it is - and 100% the best car I have ever owned and I have been through a lot. So your experience is contrary to nearly EVERY OTHER PERSON who has owned it has said. The engine, the brakes, etc are light years better than the M340 and it's B58, so get out of here with that nonsense.

As to your dyno, I'll say the same I said before with out a tune those just downpipe numbers don't make any sense and would be the highest reading downpipes in history and you need to post the link to them on the S55 forum because you found the gold standard.

All that said, sure we can disagree, it's opinion. No worries.
Everyone eh, best car you've ever owned and drove no one can contest that. Didn't smoking tire hated the M2c and while it maybe one of BMWs best car today it still has flaws and there are far better cars.

Also for how small it is, it's still a very heavy car. Nothing OP said was a call for you to get riled up. As if to say your opinion is more valuable than all. Truly narcissistic..
It's a forum bud, everyone has an opinion. No one's opinion is better than someone else's. No skin off my back. Sorry you don't like people disagreeing with you as well.

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Did the dyno operator adjust for weather at all? Because I don't believe you are to do that with these motors as the ECU already adjusts for that... just a possibility as to why it's reading so high.
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The M2C is more of a track focused car while you can use the M340 for DD.
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X3MC stock faster on track than M2, M6 coupe and M6 GC competition

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The M2C is more of a track focused car while you can use the M340 for DD.
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The M2C is more of a track focused car while you can use the M340 for DD.
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Faster around track than M6 and M6 gran coupe Competition ans M2C
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