[G80JL]

Originally Posted by Flamingi

Pretty sure it does keep the lights on. My G05 is doing it, several other G cars I had before were doing it (G31, G01, G11) as well as my F11 and other F cars I had before. When I'm coming home I have to drive into a car lift with doors closing right behind my car, so I see the braking lights and them staying on with auto hold every single day.

They stop once your gear changes to park, maybe that's what happened to you.

Yes brake lights do stay lit on auto hold.

[G80JL]

Originally Posted by Tam the Bam

Maybe.....

Yes the brake lights do stay on auto hold

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by exhibhooligan

Wow! For everyone interested I just learned how auto-hold actually works. Here's an excerpt:

"The auto-hold function is a component of the ABS and ESP system and, once you've activated the system by pressing the 'auto-hold' button which is usually near your electric park brake switch, it will automatically hold the brake pressure you applied. This means you need to give the brakes a good shove to ensure adequate pressure is applied."

So it seems it uses the full brakes (not parking brake) and just simply holds the brake force you apply.

Correct. The parking brake is not a separate assembly on the rear axle either. The rear axle calipers use an electric motor to secure the vehicle.

[TristarL10]

My brake lights stay on in the auto hold mode while stopped. Once I touch my accelerator pedal to begin moving it releases the brakes and the brake lights....

[hamera]

Same here. Brake lights stay on. I wish they did not. In the manual car, it's a good practice to pull the hand brake on rather than keep your foot on the brakes. In the automatic there is not much choice but with Auto-Hold feature I would like the lights to stay off. There is no need for brake lights to be on. I agree, it's definitely annoying. I would say it's a simple matter of courtesy to other drivers.

[BillyLDN]

Originally Posted by hamera

Same here. Brake lights stay on. I wish they did not. In the manual car, it's a good practice to pull the hand brake on rather than keep your foot on the brakes. In the automatic there is not much choice but with Auto-Hold feature I would like the lights to stay off. There is no need for brake lights to be on. I agree, it's definitely annoying. I would say it's a simple matter of courtesy to other drivers.

Agreed. I wonder if this can be coded.

[exhibhooligan]

Originally Posted by BillyLDN

Agreed. I wonder if this can be coded.

I was just thinking that seems like a feature that could be coded. In BimmerCode I've never specifically seen that feature that I can remember.

I know it's easy to code the parking lights to stay on all the time no matter the conditions. Many people like to keep the rear parking lights on 24/7 for added visibility to other people on the road. So it seems logical that BimmerCode might have the option to turn off the brake lights when Auto-Hold is active.

[EXE46]

Courtesy until one day you're sitting at a light and someone not paying attention slams into the rear. Always fear being rear ended and those lights help to alert whomever is approaching from behind. I got rear-ended back when I had the E46, not a good experience.

Furthermore, now in the era where countless drivers are browsing and responding to social media while driving. The more alerts we have for those distracted drivers could be difference between a bad accident and or fatality. I am always aggravated when I come across wankers who operate cars without functioning brake lights. If you're at a stop the lights should be displayed.

[exhibhooligan]

Originally Posted by EXE46

Courtesy until one day you're sitting at a light and someone not paying attention slams into the rear. Always fear being rear ended and those lights help to alert whomever is approaching from behind. I got rear-ended back when I had the E46, not a good experience.

Furthermore, now in the era where countless drivers are browsing and responding to social media while driving. The more alerts we have for those distracted drivers could be difference between a bad accident and or fatality. I am always aggravated when I come across wankers who operate cars without functioning brake lights. If you're at a stop the lights should be displayed.

I couldn't agree me. I think courtesy for other drivers and safety for myself are 2 different ballgames. I've personally never gotten angry for the guy in front of me to keep his brake lights on. I don't think most people at red lights are getting angry from a set of brake lights.

[EXE46]

I get angry from those with the illegal LED headlights especially on trucks. At a stop light at night across from you they're blinding. This I see a lot on old wranglers and pickup trucks.

Some of these wankers even have the roof led light bars on above windshield area when those are strictly for off road purposes. Our LEO doesn't seem to be issuing citations for these which they should.

[hamera]

Originally Posted by EXE46

Courtesy until one day you're sitting at a light and someone not paying attention slams into the rear. Always fear being rear ended and those lights help to alert whomever is approaching from behind. I got rear-ended back when I had the E46, not a good experience.

Furthermore, now in the era where countless drivers are browsing and responding to social media while driving. The more alerts we have for those distracted drivers could be difference between a bad accident and or fatality. I am always aggravated when I come across wankers who operate cars without functioning brake lights. If you're at a stop the lights should be displayed.

I'm sorry but if someone isn't paying attention you are getting rear ended regardless of your brakes lights being on or off. Brake lights constantly on during a stop don't really change much in this circumstances in my opinion.

Anyway, when I mentioned the courtesy, I meant the situation when someone is already at a stand still behind you. There is absolutely no need for him to be dazzled by your lights. It's not about getting angry. There is simply no need for this.

[Weiner0123]

I've gotten so used to holding down the brake that when I'm sitting in my car waiting for it to warm up and its still in park, I'm still holding in the brake pedal till I'm ready to move

[cnichols138]

Wow. That would be tough. I rear ended someone once for not having his brake lights on. thought for some reason he was moving. Turns out he was using the clutch to keep him there...No brake lights visible....which would have been great in this instance. I pulled out of line and sped up to the light and he was not moving had I anticipated. OOPS.

[hamera]

Originally Posted by cnichols138

No brake lights visible....which would have been great in this instance. I pulled out of line and sped up to the light and he was not moving had I anticipated. OOPS.

You know what would be even better in this instance? If you actually paid some attention to moving/not moving vehicles on the road

[mfdutra]

The auto hold doesn't use the parking brake. It just holds hydraulic pressure on the brake line, just as if you are holding the pedal.

If you shift the transmission to P, then it automatically engages the parking brake. You can hear that well if you pay attention.

[SteveinArizona]

Originally Posted by Tam the Bam

Thanks for the advice about driving at night.

This topic has been discussed before and a search of the internet will provide different views regarding foot brake when stationary.

Just because I said it is annoying doesn’t mean it hinders me from driving. As for the Auto Hold .... it does not keep the brake lights on. Just checked my car..... lol.

One can find anything one wants on the internet and the value is what you pay for it...nothing.

I would go for what the manufacturer says and what your state driver's manuals say (assuming there is one...I assume there is).

[jdc0907]

Quick question - if I select park and don't have auto hold enabled (and I'm on a flat surface), will the electronic parking brake automatically be applied once I lock the car or is the transmision the only thing stopping the car moving forwards?

[HighlandPete]

Originally Posted by jdc0907

Quick question - if I select park and don't have auto hold enabled (and I'm on a flat surface), will the electronic parking brake automatically be applied once I lock the car or is the transmision the only thing stopping the car moving forwards?

Not unless the function has changed very recently. (G20 I had back in the Autumn works like my 535i). You need to apply the parking brake manually, when Auto-Hold is not active.

[Conan-]

Originally Posted by jdc0907

Quick question - if I select park and don't have auto hold enabled (and I'm on a flat surface), will the electronic parking brake automatically be applied once I lock the car or is the transmision the only thing stopping the car moving forwards?

according to the manual and experience, parking brakes does not auto engage if auto hold is not enabled. so i’d say the only thing holding it in place would be the gear

[bese60]

Whats autohold feature? the auto start?

[Mason Hatcher]

Originally Posted by Tam the Bam

People who sit stationary with their foot on the brake is annoying. I was taught to use my handbrake when stationary exactly what the auto hold achieves.

That's just goofy. You are the only person I have every heard, in my 45 years of driving, that complains2 about brake lights or who uses the emergency brake when stopped.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by Mason Hatcher

That's just goofy. You are the only person I have every heard, in my 45 years of driving, that complains2 about brake lights or who uses the emergency brake when stopped.

Seems to be a common, often taught, practice in some countries such as England, Australia and New Zealand.

For example:



https://www.drivingtests.co.nz/resou...parking-brake/