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      12-18-2020, 07:17 AM   #1
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I’m impressed he thinks so highly of the 4er, materials and driving characteristics.
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I would agree...interior quality is better, engine/transmission is better...I could never get over the grill though.
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I would agree...interior quality is better, engine/transmission is better...I could never get over the grill though.
Agree, sadly with this design the pro's do not outweigh the serious design con's for me at least. Would much prefer a 3er with a more "traditional" design.
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He's definitely fond of BMWs in general, but still fair. I agree that the 4er is the best out of these. The more I see it, the less ugly the grill looks. It certainly looks new and modern, at least. The Audi is just boring. The Merc is solid.
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Agree, sadly with this design the pro's do not outweigh the serious design con's for me at least. Would much prefer a 3er with a more "traditional" design.
I'd take it step further and say "330i MSport" with a more traditional design. Even the M340i, with its J C Whitney catalog looking mesh and cerium bits, has not grown on me.

It is interesting to hear Matt's take on the C-class interior. The overall design aged well, but I think the design excellence of that waterfall center console and open pore wood blinds reviewers to the otherwise hard plastics and excess plasti-chrome.
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Not surprised since the new 3 series has been the car to beat recenty. Add the MSport and the thing is beautiful in the corners.

The 4 series is basically the same, just with a controversial grill. Those teeth may actually help bite through the air and make it faster.

All jokes aside, I thought the car looked nice in person. Actually prefer the rear end and taillights of the 4. Still went with the 3, though.
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Not surprised and was expecting the comments regarding the 4er. The current BMW's are not like the EXX BMW's in terms of what you're looking for in a drivers car but for the most part they still feel and drive better than the equivalent Audi or Mercedes even if by a little. I was always a fan of BMW interiors, perhaps a bit "boring", but they are effective in terms of ergonomics, simplicity and quality.
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I would agree...interior quality is better, engine/transmission is better...I could never get over the grill though.
Agree, sadly with this design the pro's do not outweigh the serious design con's for me at least. Would much prefer a 3er with a more "traditional" design.
Agreed, prefer the "traditional" BMW design cues. BMW has designed the 4'er to appeal to a younger audience and of course the Chinese market who love the 'bling'. Saw the G22 on display at a shopping mall recently and I asked my teenage kids what they thought of the front end and they both thought it was sooo cool!
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I would agree...interior quality is better, engine/transmission is better...I could never get over the grill though.
Agree, sadly with this design the pro's do not outweigh the serious design con's for me at least. Would much prefer a 3er with a more "traditional" design.
Agreed, prefer the "traditional" BMW design cues. BMW has designed the 4'er to appeal to a younger audience and of course the Chinese market who love the 'bling'. Saw the G22 on display at a shopping mall recently and I asked my teenage kids what they thought of the front end and they both thought it was sooo cool!
Definitely seems like they are trying to go for a younger audience, although I'm not sure how young considering this car is expensive. Still wish they had gone in a different direction, I think it just doesn't look like a BMW at all.

Interestingly my 20-year old son hates the design with a passion, looks like I've taught him well
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I would agree...interior quality is better, engine/transmission is better...I could never get over the grill though.
Agree, sadly with this design the pro's do not outweigh the serious design con's for me at least. Would much prefer a 3er with a more "traditional" design.
Agreed, prefer the "traditional" BMW design cues. BMW has designed the 4'er to appeal to a younger audience and of course the Chinese market who love the 'bling'. Saw the G22 on display at a shopping mall recently and I asked my teenage kids what they thought of the front end and they both thought it was sooo cool!
Definitely seems like they are trying to go for a younger audience, although I'm not sure how young considering this car is expensive. Still wish they had gone in a different direction, I think it just doesn't look like a BMW at all.

Interestingly my 20-year old son hates the design with a passion, looks like I've taught him well
The other issue is that despite the 4'er being wider than the G20, it is longer by 13cm which is massive.
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Having driven the C43 coupe extensively as well as the M340 on autocross, I can definitely say the Bimmer is the better car to drive. Both have relatively bland steering at normal speeds, but when driven hard the Bimmer's chassis inspires a lot of confidence. I'm sure it's no different for the 440. The Merc in comparison does not feel planted at the limits, has a claustrophobic interior, and has creaks galore. Main selling point of the Merc is the styling and exhaust.

Haven't driven the S5 but the A5 is definitely the most relaxed feeling car. Dynamically very competent, just not "fun." But I love the interior/exterior of that car. One of the most beautiful cars on sale today.
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I would agree...interior quality is better, engine/transmission is better...I could never get over the grill though.
Agree, sadly with this design the pro's do not outweigh the serious design con's for me at least. Would much prefer a 3er with a more "traditional" design.
Agreed, prefer the "traditional" BMW design cues. BMW has designed the 4'er to appeal to a younger audience and of course the Chinese market who love the 'bling'. Saw the G22 on display at a shopping mall recently and I asked my teenage kids what they thought of the front end and they both thought it was sooo cool!
Definitely seems like they are trying to go for a younger audience, although I'm not sure how young considering this car is expensive. Still wish they had gone in a different direction, I think it just doesn't look like a BMW at all.

Interestingly my 20-year old son hates the design with a passion, looks like I've taught him well
The other issue is that despite the 4'er being wider than the G20, it is longer by 13cm which is massive.
Yep its growing too much, its very close to cars like the 8er and E-Class coupe in size, and I fear because the 4er has gotten so big that they will make the 2er larger because of this.
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This review is rather enlightening. I have never been inside these newer Audi and Mercedes offerings. My takeaways -

Interior:
-Mercedes trash and cheap trimmings.
-Audi decent
-BMW best by far

Infotainment and interaction (screen)
-The Audi has gone touch and removed the spin wheel! Fingerprint and distraction magnet. Awful.
-BMW retains the spin wheel so at least there is an option

Instrument cluster (Digital dash)
-BMW has worst with anticlockwise tach and no alternative
-Audi and Merc have better options

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-Very subjective, but to me Audi is the best
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I have never been inside these newer Audi and Mercedes offerings. My takeaways -

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-Mercedes trash and cheap trimmings.
-Audi decent
-BMW best by far
I think you should probably sit in these cars before you make such takeaways. Wife has the GLC which shares its interior with the C-Class and preferred it to the X3. Materials are great and were better in a few noticeable areas than the last G20 and F30 3er we were in. Far from trash. The BMW has the best build quality, but there are some cheap aspects to it that are very noticeable just like every other car in the class.
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He's definitely fond of BMWs in general, but still fair. I agree that the 4er is the best out of these. The more I see it, the less ugly the grill looks. It certainly looks new and modern, at least. The Audi is just boring. The Merc is solid.
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I have never been inside these newer Audi and Mercedes offerings. My takeaways -

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-Mercedes trash and cheap trimmings.
-Audi decent
-BMW best by far
I think you should probably sit in these cars before you make such takeaways. Wife has the GLC which shares its interior with the C-Class and preferred it to the X3. Materials are great and were better in a few noticeable areas than the last G20 and F30 3er we were in. Far from trash. The BMW has the best build quality, but there are some cheap aspects to it that are very noticeable just like every other car in the class.
I've been in he CLA and it is trash. Maybe they get better in higher models but this C class seems to inherit alot of the CLA cheapness. I will be honest in saying I am not a Mercedes fan, but this view doesn't help
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I have never been inside these newer Audi and Mercedes offerings. My takeaways -

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-Mercedes trash and cheap trimmings.
-Audi decent
-BMW best by far
I think you should probably sit in these cars before you make such takeaways. Wife has the GLC which shares its interior with the C-Class and preferred it to the X3. Materials are great and were better in a few noticeable areas than the last G20 and F30 3er we were in. Far from trash. The BMW has the best build quality, but there are some cheap aspects to it that are very noticeable just like every other car in the class.
I've been in he CLA and it is trash. Maybe they get better in higher models but this C class seems to inherit alot of the CLA cheapness. I will be honest in saying I am not a Mercedes fan, but this view doesn't help
CLA is definitely worse, but not the same car and don't share much in interiors. The CLA comes from a worse plant, with worse quality, and is much cheaper and uses a lot more cost savings than other models. Can't really judge a whole lineup on one car. If I judged BMW off of my 2GC loaner experience, I wouldn't have much positive to say at all. Just saying if you're gonna start a post saying, I haven't sat in any of the cars, not really the best basis to judge them then.

My son's E83 X3 is the same way. It came from a different plant, was much cheaper and poorly built compared to my other Bimmers of that same era, and was a common trait of that generation to be incredibly cheap and tinny in its feel and build quality.
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I've had 2 Audi's (one was an S5) and 8 BMW's, clearly prefer BMW but I do appreciate Audi's as a pretty similar brand and lineup. The Audi is easily the best looking of these 3, the Merc second. This grill and the Lexus rear still kills this 4er.

Enough of the talk about fresh and modern. Audi started the big grill thing years ago and both then and now do it better than BMW, who never should've gone down that path with a double kidney grill.

This thing doesn't look fresh or modern, it looks awkward and ugly, period. It's been months and very few have changed their minds. It isn't growing on anyone, it's just growing.

The new M3/4 grill is much better, but still doesn't work for me. This one on the regular variants should be stopped and burned from all of our memories.
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I've had 2 Audi's (one was an S5) and 8 BMW's, clearly prefer BMW but I do appreciate Audi's as a pretty similar brand and lineup. The Audi is easily the best looking of these 3, the Merc second. This grill and the Lexus rear still kills this 4er.

Enough of the talk about fresh and modern. Audi started the big grill thing years ago and both then and now do it better than BMW, who never should've gone down that path with a double kidney grill.

This thing doesn't look fresh or modern, it looks awkward and ugly, period. It's been months and very few have changed their minds. It isn't growing on anyone, it's just growing.

The new M3/4 grill is much better, but still doesn't work for me. This one on the regular variants should be stopped and burned from all of our memories.
Agreed. Big grills are big grills these days (nothing new). For me it's the shape of the new 4er grill that kills it for me not the size. In fact I actually quite like the new M3/4 grills...I mean like not just settling lol. It's too bad they got the 4er grill so wrong imo.
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