MILEAGE BLOCKER F series detection

aussiebimmer320 · 12-21-2020, 05:00 PM

I had a conversation with one of my customers about mileage blocker the other day. He mentioned to me that he has been using it for nearly 2 years now. He said that he usually unplug before doing regular service with BMW to keep the car under warranty. I was amazed that BMW didn't notice such device has been installed previously. AFASK anything that you plug into the car is recorded in car's data log. What acutually surprised me, those kind of stuff filter the CAN signal and the mileage doesn't change spontaneously after you unplug it.
I argued with my customer about BMW can detect any device hooked on the car, even simply simple GPS tracker. Can anyone confirm this info?
Thanks guys

njdangelo · 12-21-2020, 05:27 PM

Your customer sounds like a sleaze ball. and his reasoning is flawed because bmw offers extended warranties that you can purchase if you decided to keep your car past the factory warranty. It's illegal, punishable by up to 3 years in federal prison her in the USA.
As far as your original question as to whether or not bmw can tell, I have no idea. But as a business owner I recommend not doing business with someone who is planning on breaking the law, especially knowingly....

eff32fl · 12-21-2020, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by njdangelo

Your customer sounds like a sleaze ball. and his reasoning is flawed because bmw offers extended warranties that you can purchase if you decided to keep your car past the factory warranty. It's illegal, punishable by up to 3 years in federal prison her in the USA.
As far as your original question as to whether or not bmw can tell, I have no idea. But as a business owner I recommend not doing business with someone who is planning on breaking the law, especially knowingly....

Yeah probably not the best idea in the world using one of those devices. Sure sounds like a felony to me lol.

Elvisfan · 12-21-2020, 07:01 PM

Melbourne, so I assume Australia. Don’t know the laws there. Obviously in the US, It’s a federal offense. However, let’s not get all holy here. There are many people on here who flagrantly violate federal emission laws.

eff32fl · 12-21-2020, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Elvisfan

Melbourne, so I assume Australia. Don’t know the laws there. Obviously in the US, It’s a federal offense. However, let’s not get all holy here. There are many people on here who flagrantly violate federal emission laws.

There's a big difference between polluting a bit and intentionally committing fraud. You won't go to prison for having a catless DP on your car.

aussiebimmer320 · 12-21-2020, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Elvisfan

Melbourne, so I assume Australia. Don’t know the laws there. Obviously in the US, It’s a federal offense. However, let’s not get all holy here. There are many people on here who flagrantly violate federal emission laws.

sopt on. Yes I live in melbs. It's unlawful here as well and it's an offense. The fine is very very hifty here. I did some research and I found a similar device that looks exactly like the one in my customer's car on website from UK. I wonder how it's legal to sell such thing in UK.

unfortuantely, after digging deep in this topic I found the expensive ones are hard to detect unless you can read the car logs.

aussiebimmer320 · 12-21-2020, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by njdangelo

Your customer sounds like a sleaze ball. and his reasoning is flawed because bmw offers extended warranties that you can purchase if you decided to keep your car past the factory warranty. It's illegal, punishable by up to 3 years in federal prison her in the USA.
As far as your original question as to whether or not bmw can tell, I have no idea. But as a business owner I recommend not doing business with someone who is planning on breaking the law, especially knowingly....

I agree. what scares me is detecting those devices. It looks like it's near impossible to detect them unless you read the ecu logs. I might be wrong but this topic is very sophisticated and complex for me since ECU manufacturers don't release any information about their technology

aussiebimmer320 · 12-21-2020, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by eff32fl

There's a big difference between polluting a bit and intentionally committing fraud. You won't go to prison for having a catless DP on your car.

40k to 60k fine and 2 years fun jail time

. I will report him lol

Elvisfan · 12-21-2020, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by eff32fl

There's a big difference between polluting a bit and intentionally committing fraud. You won't go to prison for having a catless DP on your car.

VW was 2 for 2.

CajunBMW · 12-21-2020, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Elvisfan

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Originally Posted by eff32fl

There's a big difference between polluting a bit and intentionally committing fraud. You won't go to prison for having a catless DP on your car.

VW was 2 for 2.

Haha, sure was.....

Billfitz · 12-21-2020, 09:06 PM

Highly illegal. That's why sellers of these things have to use disclaimers like this one: 'The use of the odometer stopper is intended only for research purposes, outside of public roads, and it allows testing on vehicles on dynamometer stands or in laboratory conditions.'

440xiGCMSport2 · 12-22-2020, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by eff32fl

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Originally Posted by Elvisfan

Melbourne, so I assume Australia. Don’t know the laws there. Obviously in the US, It’s a federal offense. However, let’s not get all holy here. There are many people on here who flagrantly violate federal emission laws.

There's a big difference between polluting a bit and intentionally committing fraud. You won't go to prison for having a catless DP on your car.

Polluting with a catless do is just as bad. If more people do it what do you think the rate of lung cancer and asthma sufferers would increase by?

Billfitz · 12-23-2020, 07:12 AM

The effects of their actions is not something that the Me Generation considers.

Pauloxxi · 12-23-2020, 08:40 AM

Wow... I didn't know such device was available or existed for sale. That means when we buy a pre-owned low mileage, we could be buying a much more used car?

BeerHerder · 12-23-2020, 08:55 AM

I'd have to imagine that scan tools can pick up on that. Modern cars store mileage in several different places (to my knowledge) and can be read at those different locations, compared to each other, and flagged for incorrect odo. What I'd be really interested in hearing about is if a consumer level tool like a carly could pick it up...

Gen13 F36 · 12-23-2020, 02:14 PM

Remember....how to roll back mileage on those mechanical odometer

Orion4 · 12-23-2020, 03:41 PM

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Remember....how to roll back mileage on those mechanical odometer

As a teenager in the 60s, my Dad's electric drill was my best friend!

CajunBMW · 12-23-2020, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Gen13 F36

Remember....how to roll back mileage on those mechanical odometer

Sort of like on Ferris Bueller's day off?

BimR · 12-23-2020, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by CajunBMW

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Originally Posted by Gen13 F36

Remember....how to roll back mileage on those mechanical odometer

Sort of like on Ferris Bueller's day off?

I tried that. Didn't work

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aussiebimmer320 · 12-28-2020, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Pauloxxi

Wow... I didn't know such device was available or existed for sale. That means when we buy a pre-owned low mileage, we could be buying a much more used car?

I believe yes. Especially if the car's interior says the opposite. Those devices are hard to detect unless you remove the instrument cluster and look carefully at the connection. After doing deep research I found some suppliers calim that even after your remove the device the mileage won't change spontaneously. SCARRY

aussiebimmer320 · 12-28-2020, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 440xiGCMSport2

Polluting with a catless do is just as bad. If more people do it what do you think the rate of lung cancer and asthma sufferers would increase by?

OMG this is worse than rolling back the mileage

AspektUSA · 12-28-2020, 05:12 PM

Catless DP is equally as bad, and is actually a felony in the US as well.

EPA is cracking down on diesel truck tunes/partrs, as well as manufacturers of DPs - such as APR.

You operating a street car without a catalytic convertor makes you no different than the short guys rolling coal at stop lights.

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BeerHerder Lieutenant 251 Rep 426 Posts Drives: F30 335, G01 X3, Victory Vegas Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: IL iTrader: (1)	I'd have to imagine that scan tools can pick up on that. Modern cars store mileage in several different places (to my knowledge) and can be read at those different locations, compared to each other, and flagged for incorrect odo. What I'd be really interested in hearing about is if a consumer level tool like a carly could pick it up... __________________ Glacier Silver Metallic 335i X-Drive - Can't leave well enough alone... Fabspeed DP, Wagner Evo Comp II IC, ER CP, BM3 Stage 2 93 OTS, Bimmertech Amp (more to come... always more) Graphite Metallic X3 (nothing yet, but... you know)
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AspektUSA Lieutenant 277 Rep 501 Posts Drives: 340i MSport/THP Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Denver iTrader: (0)	Catless DP is equally as bad, and is actually a felony in the US as well. EPA is cracking down on diesel truck tunes/partrs, as well as manufacturers of DPs - such as APR. You operating a street car without a catalytic convertor makes you no different than the short guys rolling coal at stop lights.
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