[Maestro]

Why is the X3 the ugly stepchild:

https://g80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1732647

This will be available in 45 countries for a broad range of models: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, X5, X6, X7, X5M, X6M and Z4 if manufactured after July 1st 2020.

I figure out it has to do with the hardware version of the electrical system and the X3, X4 are still on the old hardware version. Same reason we do not get remote start.

I kind of get Digital Key is fairly new, but remote start has been around for ages and it took BMW this long to figure it out. This is in line with them taking years to figure a cup holder My wife was happy to see she could put a large bottle in the door drink holder. I agree with their view on this, why would you be drinking while driving. But when someone else has figure out the solution you do not need to reinvent it.

[freshxdough]

It has been talked about before. G01 has SP15 idrive 7. All the cars listed have SP18 idrive 7.

[Maestro]

Originally Posted by freshxdough

It has been talked about before. G01 has SP15 idrive 7. All the cars listed have SP18 idrive 7.

I Know it has to due to know have SP18, however, the remote start had been talked about a long time and digital key was know for at least 5+ year from a technology stand point so they did not think about that the entire fleet of cars at some point would offer these and in one year it all but 2/3 models which do not support and are not expect to support for another couple of years.

[freshxdough]

Originally Posted by Maestro

I Know it has to due to know have SP18, however, the remote start had been talked about a long time and digital key was know for at least 5+ year from a technology stand point so they did not think about that the entire fleet of cars at some point would offer these and in one year it all but 2/3 models which do not support and are not expect to support for another couple of years.

Remote start has never been a feature for G01 yet. It was talked about by BMW to be released in Summer 2020 for G01/G02 with idrive 7 (and all other idrive 7 cars via a connected drive website upgrade)

Digital key was introduced I believe with the 8 or X5, I forget which one specifically. These all feature 12" idrive screen and SP18 idrive 7. These vehicles started off with SP18 idrive 7. G01/G02 and G30 started production with idrive 6, and in 2020 model year can get idrive 7 SP15. The G30 LCI got SP18 idrive 7 which includes all the full idrive 7 functions like drive recorder, remote software upgrade, and other things.

The G01 is likely going to get SP 18 idrive 7 in the LCI set to release 2022 model year.

[clivem2]

Originally Posted by freshxdough

Remote start has never been a feature for G01 yet. It was talked about by BMW to be released in Summer 2020 for G01/G02 with idrive 7 (and all other idrive 7 cars via a connected drive website upgrade)

Digital key was introduced I believe with the 8 or X5, I forget which one specifically. These all feature 12" idrive screen and SP18 idrive 7. These vehicles started off with SP18 idrive 7. G01/G02 and G30 started production with idrive 6, and in 2020 model year can get idrive 7 SP15. The G30 LCI got SP18 idrive 7 which includes all the full idrive 7 functions like drive recorder, remote software upgrade, and other things.

The G01 is likely going to get SP 18 idrive 7 in the LCI set to release 2022 model year.

Ah, so do the electronics for SP18 require the extra room behind the 12” screen?

[freshxdough]

Originally Posted by clivem2

Ah, so do the electronics for SP18 require the extra room behind the 12” screen?

In assuming it's all in conjunction. Probably a different head unit, idrive screen, and other control units and such to make it different. I haven't done the actual research of looking to see what is different and why, I just know the facts of SP15 and SP18. Nobody has knowingly figured out any way to try and "upgrade" to SP18 via coding or simple things like that. It's hardware related differences.

[ramparts]

Originally Posted by freshxdough

In assuming it's all in conjunction. Probably a different head unit, idrive screen, and other control units and such to make it different. I haven't done the actual research of looking to see what is different and why, I just know the facts of SP15 and SP18. Nobody has knowingly figured out any way to try and "upgrade" to SP18 via coding or simple things like that. It's hardware related differences.

Same head unit , but it's the electric wiring and other ecus that are different

[MJE60]

Originally Posted by davidoff86

Same head unit , but it's the electric wiring and other ecus that are different

Same HU, largely same loom, many modules the same but looks like the BDC (body domain controller) isn’t. I do not think this is all hardware either, the 20/11 software update for ID7 was supposed to enable voice (hey BMW) for gear mode and windows but latter (after an attempt) does not work).

Being told 1,2 and 3 series have it and X3 will, get it in the future is no consolation. It looks like G01/G02 design/release was about a year too early for new generation of function integration and BMW did not bother to update but are leaving for LCI.

[suby01]

Why are these features not available? Cost savings. The X3 in all versions is BMWs #1 selling vehicle at least it was for the past some time. BMW mentality why give more tech / features which will cost them money for parts and possible development time when they are still making the same amount of $$.
It will come eventually but as a omgosh surprise in the next years and new customers will be happy meanwhile we are left out.

[Ravenous666]

Originally Posted by suby01

Why are these features not available? Cost savings. The X3 in all versions is BMWs #1 selling vehicle at least it was for the past some time. BMW mentality why give more tech / features which will cost them money for parts and possible development time when they are still making the same amount of $$.
It will come eventually but as a omgosh surprise in the next years and new customers will be happy meanwhile we are left out.

It's like MJE60 said.

As of today the G01 X3 hardware platform is based on SP-15 hardware. So BDC, Telemetric module and other interfaces do not have the support for it. Also the NFC hardware is missing.

Rumors say the LCI modelyear 2022 will get the new platform.

You got what you ordered. Why asking for features that where never advertised for the X3 G01? It's the same with all tech gadges today - outdated as soon as you leave the shop.

[Maestro]

Originally Posted by Ravenous666

It's like MJE60 said.

As of today the G01 X3 hardware platform is based on SP-15 hardware. So BDC, Telemetric module and other interfaces do not have the support for it. Also the NFC hardware is missing.

Rumors say the LCI modelyear 2022 will get the new platform.

You got what you ordered. Why asking for features that where never advertised for the X3 G01? It's the same with all tech gadges today - outdated as soon as you leave the shop.

I do not disagree we got what we ordered and it was specifically advertised.

My point was and still is, BMW has history or introducing features in their higher end cars and migrating them down the product line. It kind of odd and I will chalk it up to poor planning on BWM's part the lower end models as of last summer support these feature and they could not offer them in the X3 because it lacks the SP-18 electrical system. Someone at BMW did not properly lay out their product road maps to ensure the mid tear product supported those feature when it was plan for the upline and downline product would have them.

[ramparts]

Originally Posted by Maestro

I do not disagree we got what we ordered and it was specifically advertised.

My point was and still is, BMW has history or introducing features in their higher end cars and migrating them down the product line. It kind of odd and I will chalk it up to poor planning on BWM's part the lower end models as of last summer support these feature and they could not offer them in the X3 because it lacks the SP-18 electrical system. Someone at BMW did not properly lay out their product road maps to ensure the mid tear product supported those feature when it was plan for the upline and downline product would have them.

This is always going to happen though, as they don't release all their models at the same time. There is always going to be one model that misses out by months either side, it's just unfortunate that it's the G01's turn this time.

Last time around, it was the F30 LCI - it launched in june 2015 with ID4, then 6 months later idrive 5 came out with carplay support etc. and that change came with a new headunit with more RAM.

It's simply not cost effective for them to re-tool every platform after 12 months - that's what the LCI does, and is why the 5 series went from SP15->SP18 at it's LCI last year.

[rob175]

OR..... one could say that because the X3 series is the #1 selling SUV for BMW WHY CHANGE ANYTHING until they are "forced" to?? Based on the competition and customer demand why make any major changes...."if it ain't broke why fix it?" Just keep building them, selling them and make lots of money!

[ramparts]

Originally Posted by rob175

OR..... one could say that because the X3 series is the #1 selling SUV for BMW WHY CHANGE ANYTHING until they are "forced" to?? Based on the competition and customer demand why make any major changes...."if it ain't broke why fix it?" Just keep building them, selling them and make lots of money!

But they are changing it. In 4 months time. At LCI

[sbt007]

It is a double edged sword - the X3 is important, so they rushed to release new gen as MY2018 because of competitors. But in the process missed full iDrive7 by one year - and now is at the end of the line while all other models have it.

[Bimmerforlife]

I don't know if this has anything to do with times of LCI changes regarding tech etc. But one of the new competitors to the X4 will be the new Audi SQ5 Sportback which will be released this summer or early fall 2021. We already know the Mercedes GLC Coupe is an existing competitor in this segment as well.

The LCI refresh for the X4 and X3 must be very soon, especially when new competitors are entering the market. Is it just a coincidence that X4 refresh will arrive about the same time Audi releases the brand new Q5 Sportback?

[JimPastell]

I will get my iX3 G01 delivered in approx. 4 weeks and it has Digital Key as standard.
I know that it's not the exact same car but still a G01 model.
So it can't be that hard for BMW to give X3 buyers the same possibility.

Video (30 seconds in):

[ramparts]

Originally Posted by JimPastell

I will get my iX3 G01 delivered in approx. 4 weeks and it has Digital Key as standard.
I know that it's not the exact same car but still a G01 model.
So it can't be that hard for BMW to give X3 buyers the same possibility.

Video (30 seconds in):

iX3 is SP15C not SP15A (yes, there's a confusing difference!)

And again, as it seems like the point is being missed. The X3/X4 IS getting these things, at LCI, in 4 months time.

[XxDanoxX]

.....The one day, you're out walking. Or out shopping .....You lose your phone and become stranded.

Yes, you could also lose your keys - but it's a whole lot less likely to losing your phone.

[JimPastell]

Originally Posted by XxDanoxX

.....The one day, you're out walking. Or out shopping .....You lose your phone and become stranded.

Yes, you could also lose your keys - but it's a whole lot less likely to losing your phone.

In our family it's faaaaar more likely to loose keys, codes, pets, kids and money before loosing the phone

[hinckley]

Originally Posted by davidoff86

This is always going to happen though, as they don't release all their models at the same time. There is always going to be one model that misses out by months either side, it's just unfortunate that it's the G01's turn this time.

Last time around, it was the F30 LCI - it launched in june 2015 with ID4, then 6 months later idrive 5 came out with carplay support etc. and that change came with a new headunit with more RAM.

It's simply not cost effective for them to re-tool every platform after 12 months - that's what the LCI does, and is why the 5 series went from SP15->SP18 at it's LCI last year.

Originally Posted by davidoff86

But they are changing it. In 4 months time. At LCI

Originally Posted by davidoff86

And again, as it seems like the point is being missed. The X3/X4 IS getting these things, at LCI, in 4 months time.

This is one of the most ridiculous threads on an otherwise thoughtful and mature forum. Sorry, davidoff, no one wants to listen to your logic. Much easier to whine/whinge.

[JimPastell]

Originally Posted by hinckley

This is one of the most ridiculous threads on an otherwise thoughtful and mature forum. Sorry, davidoff, no one wants to listen to your logic. Much easier to whine/whinge.

I must admit that I (and others) obviously missed davidoff's 3(!) perfect answers. I'm sorry and will now go and put myself in the "shame-corner".