03-13-2019, 10:21 AM | #23 |
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Touché. Was a sad day, but love my e36.
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03-13-2019, 10:22 AM | #24 |
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If AWD is better than RWD on a race track, then why did Porsche use a RWD 992 to get their Nurburgring time?
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03-13-2019, 10:26 AM | #25 |
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Just don't understand the fascination with buying an automatic to get .05 seconds faster the dozen or so times you go to a drag strip. that's about 4 of the 100k miles you will put on the car. give me a manual so I can enjoy the other 99k miles.
AWD adds weight, but, as long as you can send everything to the rear whenever you want, just add a tune to make up for the weight. AWD is certainly different, but its not aweful as long as it is optional. My Audi has it's character, but don't get it sideways! No control! BTW, why is everyone complaining that they can't the HP to the ground? That's not a RWD issue, that just means that, A) Your wheel are not wide enough, and B) You are trying to floor it at to low of a speed. There is NOTHING more exhilarating than flooring 500 or 600 horses in 3rd gear (manual) and running it out. Just cant do it in 1st or 2nd.
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03-13-2019, 10:27 AM | #26 |
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Above all these nonsense comments, when will we see these in California so i can retire my F80?
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03-13-2019, 10:32 AM | #27 |
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No 6MT option until a CS or CSL version?!?!!!
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03-13-2019, 10:34 AM | #28 | |
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That said I am not in "hate" group, but rather cautiously optimistic that through electronics and differentials the car still feels RWD and reacts the same way. It is also is promising that they mention an RWD mode like the M5, so we have that going for us, which is nice! |
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03-13-2019, 10:40 AM | #29 |
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e36 is also a great car. I am considering the e90. Would love a late model, fully loaded. But that's in the 2-3 year period.
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03-13-2019, 10:41 AM | #30 |
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M3 with AWD would be a welcome addition. Looking forward to the test drive.
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03-13-2019, 10:43 AM | #31 | |
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On top of that, the DCT is quicker than manual, and when you track, quicker is better. For DD, I live in the city, so manual is more effort than worth it. Plus, how do you eat a bacon cheeseburger, drink a milkshake and drive a manual at the same time?
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03-13-2019, 10:44 AM | #32 |
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100% all of the complainers here will jump on the g80 bandwagon as soon as it releases, the cars gonna be a blast to drive, have more tech and look great, so stop complaining.
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03-13-2019, 10:51 AM | #33 |
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The laws of physics are what they are and cannot be changed. As the horsepower continues to increase to satisfy customer demand, transferring all power to rear wheels only becomes impractical.
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03-13-2019, 10:59 AM | #36 |
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Right! No complaints!
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03-13-2019, 11:01 AM | #37 |
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I believe it's because they would have to crash test and certify 4 different variations of the same vehicle and they probably don't see it as being a worthwhile investment..
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03-13-2019, 11:26 AM | #38 | |
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The HP war and 0-60 times are ruining sports cars IMO. A 350HP car that is smaller and lighter is much more fun than a complex 500hp monster that needs additional systems, more width, and complex traction mechanisms to handle the unnecessary/unusable power. |
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For me, 0.1 seconds from manual to auto is not an issue (I ain't that good anyhow), it's allowing me to focus on driving on the track where split second reaction (shifting) can mean the difference in losing control or staying the course. AWD = putting power down, because spin is a total waste of power
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Rear engine vs front engine weight distribution, that's why. There's less need for awd on a rear engined car as the weight is over the rear wheels and not the front wheels. M3 needs AWD.
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They also moved the engine 10 or eleven mm even closer to the center of the car with the 992. |
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03-13-2019, 11:48 AM | #42 |
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Remember that car has a much different weight distribution with the engine behind the rear wheels. It also drives much different than an M car. You can't apply AWD concepts from the 911 to the M3. Also I think awd is about being faster on the street. Not so much as being a whole lot faster on the track.
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03-13-2019, 12:03 PM | #43 |
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Car manufacturers focus more and more on transportation. The driving fun factor is going with every new series more to the background.
If you don t use the 4wd system you are carrying the weight always with you. New M3 is just an old M5. Nice fast daily driver. 1600 kg and awd is no fun anymore. That is transportation! We need to go back to smaller nimbler cars with less horsepower and lower weight. I drive an 950kg and 330hp e30 m3 DTM on track. This car is so amazing. that 950kg feel is a dream to steer and brake into corners. I am done buying bigger and heavier ///M Cars. Now AWD also. It s getting worse with every new series. If i want an awd then it s either a x3M or a 4wd car with awd system with mechanical diffs like an mitsubishi evolution rally car in a very small car. |
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IIRC the G80/82 Competition will be around 500 BHP...which just happens to be the amount we saw in the E60 M5...which was also RWD, all the time. I am not an E60 expert - but I don't recall complaints with being able to use all the power with a full-time RWD car at those BHP levels. I think most of the complaints were associated with the SMG. Just an alternative viewpoint...
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