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But your comment that "genesis is no lexus" there i disagree. Genesis is better than lexus in my view. The G70 is a better car than IS, the G80 is better than GS and the G90 is about same as LS but costs $30k less. My G90 is a heck of a car, just as good or better than LS but costs $30 k less! That's a big difference. Also they are not comparing genesis to lexus, they are comparing their models to bmw and mercs for a reason. Let their new hires from Audi and m division do their thing and we'll talk again in a couple of years. Btw they are about to release the new G80 and GV80 (suv). Go check them out, you'll be impressed even if u own a bmw. I know i am and own an x5 and m5 |
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10-23-2019, 08:32 PM | #46 |
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I am surprised nobody mentioned that KIA and Hyundai doesn't hold its values at all even worst then Bmw. If you bought that G70, after two years it's worth nothing.
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Running cost on almost all Lexus is significantly lower than any other luxury brand. It's why most Lexus's are purchased and not leased like the Germans. Those are facts and lest you forget, the large buying public are not enthusiast like us. They want quality and reliability and that's where Lexus dominates. Genesis has no such regard, the Kia Stinger for example is known to have numerous quality issues, stuff breaks on it that doesn't normally break on other cars. Lexus has their unique niche and their loyal client base. Genesis doesn't have that and probably never will. BMW guys buys BMW, same for Audi and Mercedes. It will take Genesis at least a decade before one say if they're a worthy competitor. Building a decent driver's car is one thing, finding people to sell them to is different.
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They detail exactly what equipment they use.. unlike many other organizations. https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...c-d-test-cars/ I guess you aren't as fast ... |
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10-23-2019, 09:23 PM | #52 |
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A lot of insecure BMW owners really owning up to the stereotype here. You know Kia and Genesis are making good cars when you see these types of comments on a BMW forum, lol.
KIA is a brand Hyundai bought. Saying Genesis is a Kia is like saying BMW is a Mini (UKL platform cars anyone?) or that Mercedes is Smart. The G70 platform was developed as a purpose built luxury car platform that Kia shared as an affordable halo car. That doesn't 'make the G70 a Kia, not that that is even a bad thing these days. That just means Kia makes a car with a luxury car platform. I've never owned or leased a Kia, Hyundai, or Genesis product in my life, but I don't tie my self-worth to the badge on my car so I can admit that they make good cars. |
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Don't care about driving dynamics?! What are you 🥜 I kid I kid 😆 BMW is/was sold on the Ultimate Driving Experience I drove the M340 aggressively/spirited. I felt like I was beating on the car. Getting back in my F80; the enthusiastic driving is EFFORTLESS!!!! M340 is a sweet ride though! |
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Don't forget that a Genesis is a Hyundai with a a good marketing name...
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When you compare what the G70 usually leases at to the M340i the price difference isn't so great. The other thing to consider is the dealer network, the closest Genesis dealer to me was much further away and there are only a few of them compared to lots of BMW dealerships, which makes competition better.
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Wow, 3.8 seconds. I'm not one to perseverate on 0-60 times but that is very impressive. The G8X M3/4 are going to be monsters, especially in automatic/MxDrive form.
Nonetheless, if I do end up buying one, it will be the slowest model available - MT/RWD.
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The class of car that people seem to "stretch" their finances the most for are entry luxury cars like the 3 series. Given that, I bet the ability to pay 75% of the money for 90% of the car is attractive to some. |
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It's funny the only things they say are better on the Genesis are the look of quilted contrast stitched seats with alcantara headliner and suspension comfort. Well that and a price difference which they call a bargain. If everything else is as good as they say about the BMW, how is THAT not the bargain?!
I own one so maybe call me biased but it's a phenomenal car and these instrumented tests plus subjective opinions confirm it. Except they complain about stiff suspension. Pleeeease. The adaptive suspension is tight yet very comfortable in comfort and only a little busier in sport modes. They make it sound like it is M3 stiff. C&D have really gotten soft. |
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Also, forget about the car and driver top ten. It's mostly for entertainment purposes, not to be taken 100% seriously. Look at the article comparing the m340i and g70 for example. The m340i not only bested the g70 in nearly every performance metric, but bested it by a healthy margin. Additionally the authors admit that the m340i was the superior car on a windy backroad. Yet they give the g70 the nod for being cheaper and "good enough for the daily commute". Since when was "cheaper and good enough for the daily commute" a metric by which to judge a luxury sport sedan. Car and driver whined about how bmw had missed the mark with the f30 due to its being a duller sport sedan than its predecessors. Now bmw apparently regained some of that swagger in the g20, despite ever tightening legislative constraints, and car and driver whines about the stiffer suspension. I guess they'd rather trade in excellence for mediocrity just to pay less and be more comfy. Why not just get an Altima then. After all, car and driver obtained fairly decent performance from the newest Altima, and it's far less expensive than the g70. The mainstream car sites and periodicals have become a joke. Don't take them seriously. They're best suited to the waiting room at the dentist, and even then I'd rather just play chess on my phone while I wait. |
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