M4 GTS achieves good result in EVO COTY

[jml]

GTS did pretty well. Definitely confirms how polarizing of a car it is. Trott and Catchpole said it was the most exciting car on the market right now, and took each of their #1 picks. The 991R got the rest of judges #1 picks. No other car in the group was a favorite, they just ranked higher overall due to being consistently mediocre. Seems to confirm what the rest of the reviews are saying. It's either a very special car or not understood.

[M2MG17]

It seems like the only consistent complaints are;

1. Price being double standard M4
2. Weight being barely lighter than standard M4

Other than this I don't see what there is to complain about?

[jml]

Originally Posted by SAPPHIREM4GTS

It seems like the only consistent complaints are;

1. Price being double standard M4
2. Weight being barely lighter than standard M4

Other than this I don't see what there is to complain about?

The net of the complaints was that it was difficult to drive (in the wet was where most of the other judges experienced it) vs other cars like the NSX and 570s. That's also something that made the old 997 GT3RS a brilliant car - it was difficult to drive. But in the EVO COTY company of cars, it was seen as a lack being a well rounded car. I don't think the 991GT3RS would have won either for the same reason - and that does not seem to be stopping people from buying it or paying 50-100K over for one.

Overall the two people who really matter on the judges panel (to me) said it was the best car available right now, and the one they would buy.

[Fahrvergnügen]

last place

[M2MG17]

Originally Posted by Fahrvergnügen

last place

Again it's the price of the car if it was priced at $110k this car would be praised as car of the year.

[Bashful]

Definitely polarizing.... I've commented on this board before that it's a handful and a live wire.... way more so than a gt3 and gt3rs.... And more fun to drive in my opinion. There is a solidity to the Porsches and the rs puts up better numbers... Gt3 about the same... But a more sedate experience compared to the GTS.

[DieGrüneHölle]

Another last place. What is with the media and this car? MT, Evo, Car, Top Gear...either placed the GTS in last or second to last place in their end of the year tests. Even Harris who doesn't really dislike anything these days, hated on it.

[DieGrüneHölle]

Originally Posted by SAPPHIREM4GTS

Again it's the price of the car if it was priced at $110k this car would be praised as car of the year.

But fact is it does cost GT3 money and when the 991.1 GT3 was new it never got these bad results because of its price. It actually won some car of year awards, punching above its weight class.

[M2MG17]

Originally Posted by Blipit_

But fact is it does cost GT3 money and when the 991.1 GT3 was new it never got these bad results because of its price. It actually won some car of year awards, punching above its weight class.

That's true and the Porsche is NA engine and also has the Porsche brand name behind it.

I think the media is truly struggling with a GT3 like car from BMW with the GT3 price point. If you drove this car anyone would agree this is the best M car ever produced in terms of being a true drivers car outside of the price point as BMW M cars is always known as the bargain performance car

[jml]

Originally Posted by Fahrvergnügen

last place

Autocar is not EVO......not even remotely in the same ballpark in terms of enthusiasts and experience.

[Fahrvergnügen]

Originally Posted by jml

Autocar is not EVO......not even remotely in the same ballpark in terms of enthusiasts and experience.

Not exactly sure what you mean by all of that and I never said they were. Just felt like sharing instead of making another comparo thread.

The M4GTS is the best performing BMW ever produced, yes, but competition is so strong this year that it is really hard to shine / stand out - as shown in most comparisons.

What I find interesting about Autocar's test is that they said the M4 GTS, along with 9th and 10th place, were basically outliers and the battle for 1st really started with the M2 in 8th place. I wish they would've elaborated a bit more on why.

Also, the comment on the price of the M4GTS being a reason why it fairs poorly in comparos is a crazy idea. The top 3 cars in the test were all more expensive than the GTS and the cheapest car (Focus RS) didn't fair well... so how does someone make that conclusion?

[Robcut1]

Originally Posted by Blipit_

Another last place. What is with the media and this car? MT, Evo, Car, Top Gear...either placed the GTS in last or second to last place in their end of the year tests. Even Harris who doesn't really dislike anything these days, hated on it.

I'm not going to worry too much about the media critics. There is no car in the group that is likely to be remembered more than the GTS in a couple of years. After all, the other cars will just be relics at that point, with newer versions and new cars outperforming any one of these produced today. At least the GTS feels, drives and looks very special which it is indeed.

[Motorsportenterprise]

I think most of it just has to with the competition. Those other cars are that good. No car there is as special as the 911R and none will be remembered like the 911R will either. That's part of why it won among what it offers and delivers.

[Fahrvergnügen]

Originally Posted by Robcut1

I'm not going to worry too much about the media critics. There is no car in the group that is likely to be remembered more than the GTS in a couple of years. After all, the other cars will just be relics at that point, with newer versions and new cars outperforming any one of these produced today. At least the GTS feels, drives and looks very special which it is indeed.

Whatever helps you sleep at night. Honestly though, what makes you think the GTS will be remembered more than the e92 GTS or e46 CSL? Great cars, yes, but they aren't necessarily the first vehicles I think of when thinking of what cars defined their respective eras.

I'm a huge Porsche fan, too, but I actually think the 911R is over-hyped. If and when the new GT3 comes out in a manual the 911R will be only marginally more significant. The 675LT on the other hand seems like an amazing machines that everyone likes. The NSX is the beginning of a an era for somewhat affordable supercars using the hybrid+gas setup. The 488GTB, turbo powered Ferraris. Like I said the M4GTS is in tough competition, not only in pure performance but for what people will remember the cars for. Most likely, the next M4 with competition package will outperform the GTS and at a reasonable price.

[VCP]

He said "likely". To base off of history his assumption is correct. Save your $ for the depreciating next M4ZCP to be.

Originally Posted by Fahrvergnügen

Whatever helps you sleep at night. Honestly though, what makes you think the GTS will be remembered more than the e92 GTS or e46 CSL? Great cars, yes, but they aren't necessarily the first vehicles I think of when thinking of what cars defined their respective eras.

I'm a huge Porsche fan, too, but I actually think the 911R is over-hyped. If and when the new GT3 comes out in a manual the 911R will be only marginally more significant. The 675LT on the other hand seems like an amazing machines that everyone likes. The NSX is the beginning of a an era for somewhat affordable supercars using the hybrid+gas setup. The 488GTB, turbo powered Ferraris. Like I said the M4GTS is in tough competition, not only in pure performance but for what people will remember the cars for. Most likely, the next M4 with competition package will outperform the GTS and at a reasonable price.

[M2MG17]

Originally Posted by Fahrvergnügen

Whatever helps you sleep at night. Honestly though, what makes you think the GTS will be remembered more than the e92 GTS or e46 CSL? Great cars, yes, but they aren't necessarily the first vehicles I think of when thinking of what cars defined their respective eras.

I'm a huge Porsche fan, too, but I actually think the 911R is over-hyped. If and when the new GT3 comes out in a manual the 911R will be only marginally more significant. The 675LT on the other hand seems like an amazing machines that everyone likes. The NSX is the beginning of a an era for somewhat affordable supercars using the hybrid+gas setup. The 488GTB, turbo powered Ferraris. Like I said the M4GTS is in tough competition, not only in pure performance but for what people will remember the cars for. Most likely, the next M4 with competition package will outperform the GTS and at a reasonable price.

I agree on most of your points but highly doubt new CS package will be same performance as GTS.

[jml]

I don't understand why so many people get butthurt about this car. Buy one if you like it, don't buy it if you don't. It's a very limited edition, expensive BMW, geared at track use, not street use. Shitting all over everyone else who is excited about it just makes you look like a self conscious fool. It's starting to drive me crazy. This caustic sensibility is even worse on rennlist.

[M4_GTS]

Originally Posted by jml

I don't understand why so many people get butthurt about this car. Buy one if you like it, don't buy it if you don't. It's a very limited edition, expensive BMW, geared at track use, not street use. Shitting all over everyone else who is excited about it just makes you look like a self conscious fool. It's starting to drive me crazy. This caustic sensibility is even worse on rennlist.

If you notice, its only 2-3 members that's doing this on here. The biggest troll of them all is Fahrvergnügen. He doesn't own a GTS, but he keeps going into every GTS thread to shit on.

Either he is jealous he cant afford one or cant get an allocation to one.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Fahrvergnügen

Most likely, the next M4 with competition package will outperform the GTS and at a reasonable price.

As a tidbit, the current gen F8X M4 was not able to beat the 2 generation old E46 M3 CSL around the 'ring (AMS/SA Supertest) .

[Powerslide]

Originally Posted by M4_GTS

If you notice, its only 2-3 members that's doing this on here. The biggest troll of them all is Fahrvergnügen. He doesn't own a GTS, but he keeps going into every GTS thread to shit on.

Either he is jealous he cant afford one or cant get an allocation to one.

Maybe this is why he likes to $hit all over the M4 GTS - his car doesn't even stack up to the "civic" M4...

BMW 1 Series M Coupe
Inline6 24V DOHV Turbo
340 ps (335 bhp)
500 Nm (369 lb-ft)
1513 kg (3336 lbs)
225 ps / tonne
Picture of BMW M4
BMW M4
Straight six, twin turbo
431 ps (425 bhp)
550 Nm (406 lb-ft)
1497 kg (3300 lbs)
288 ps / tonne
Lap Times 8
1 Series M Coupe M4
Hockenheim Short 1:14.10 1:12.60
Motortrend Figure-8 0:24.70 0:24.20
Circuit de Nevers Magny-Cours Club 1:26.50 1:23.72
Sachsenring 1:40.18 1:37.22
Autozeitung test track 1:39.40 1:38.90
Contidrom 1:34.56 1:34.41
Nürburgring Nordschleife 8:15.00 7:52.00
Laguna Seca (post 1988) 1:43.31 1:39.69

[Robcut1]

Originally Posted by Motorsportenterprise

I think most of it just has to with the competition. Those other cars are that good. No car there is as special as the 911R and none will be remembered like the 911R will either. That's part of why it won among what it offers and delivers.

Yes, the 911R is very special, at least until sometime towards the beginning of next year when the manual GT3 returns. Okay, so it will have an aero spoiler on the back and no hounds-tooth stitching.
http://flatsixes.com/cars/porsche-li...t3-rs-vs-911r/

[Robcut1]

Originally Posted by Fahrvergnügen

Whatever helps you sleep at night. Honestly though, what makes you think the GTS will be remembered more than the e92 GTS or e46 CSL? Great cars, yes, but they aren't necessarily the first vehicles I think of when thinking of what cars defined their respective eras.

I don't know, the fact that there are only 300 in the USA. Comes with the fully adjustable suspension and roll bar from the factory, hand painted carbon fiber hood, and many other carbon pieces stock, the door pulls in conjunction with the lightweight door panels which are very cool once you see them in person, the BMW emblem in the seat backs that light up, the full length alcantara center console, the amazing titanium exhaust and incredible sound when switching modes, the standard carbon ceramics, the most comfortable driving position and seats I have ever been in, the beautiful crafted polished acid orange and chrome wheels, the very cool injector system in the trunk, the unbelievably stable ride at triple digits, along with the stellar push back in your seat acceleration both from a standstill and from 70MPH to 140 MPH, the MSRP of under 150K, the thumbs up from a passerbuy, the clearing out of a dealership when every customer, salesman, service advisers, etc. see or hear you pulling in and have to come out to take a look. Yea, Fahrvergnügen, you must know best, it is obviously a totally forgettable car. By the way, I am comparing to cars I have actually owned which include the 1 series M, M2, GT3RS, Porsche turbo, RS4's, C63's, RS America, etc, etc. Oh, did I forget to mention the OLED taillights and probably the coolest thing, the supplementary owner's manual: