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I'm pretty sure it is since this is the M440i.
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My point is, and backed up by the article posted earlier, is that a majority of the lack of feedback is directly related to how BMW programmed the EPS. The designer is quoted as saying exactly that. Maybe BMW can design a better mechanical interaction of the EPS somehow, it's already a pretty simple system, but if they program out the feel, because that's what they think the customer wants, it won't matter what the mechanical design is. |
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Also, even if BMW improved steering in "sport" mode, I'm sure most buyers think they're really quite sporty and will select it, and then complain about ride quality or whatnot.
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Still far better than the EPS on any BMW besides the M2, which is passable by my standards. I know BMW can do better with its steering because they've shown it with this model, they just choose not to. They've straight up admitted it.
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BMW ultimately cannot be all things to all people. Before EPS cars generally did not have these programmable "modes." They came from the factory engineered the way they were supposed to be all the time, so if BMW wanted to make a sporty car it was solely focused on being a sporty car.
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I believe that feedback is artificial using some type of force sensors to feed back into the steering wheel and that's what BMW lacks. Maybe it's easier to put in a mid or rear engine car since there is more space in the front of a Porsche. And maybe since GM uses shorter OHV V8 engines they have more room to fit in a proper steering rack. Who knows what it is, but I am convinced it is not simply a matter of software. It's in the hardware. They can reduce the steering ratio to mask some of this like Alfa does, which may be why the car is supposed to feel more jittery, but they haven't addressed the core problem the way GM and Porsche have. |
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The rack itself really didn't change that much. That's why I don't think the rack is fundamentally flawed. I'm not saying that the hardware interaction of the EPS might not be flawed, I just find it hard to believe BMW forgot how to make a proper steering rack. |
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The steering that should concern us is what on coming cars will do when they see the “bold new face of BMW” grille coming at them!
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You can literally tell the moment you try to turn the wheel from a stand still. Hydraulic BMW steering was very stiff whereas EPS (regardless of the manufacturer) is fingertip light.
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In the ATS they did and it was fantastic, I had a premium line and its steering was great, the suspension very very good (magride), but the transmission sucked, and sucked bad. I really wanted to get a CT4-V but was unhappy with a few compromises Id have to make such a smaller 8" screen, inability to shift manually from the gear selector, an interior that was little sub-par compared to the CT5, which felt like utter luxury. Plus I was concerned about the infotainment software being funky. iDrive is familiar. Due to factory closures, there are only 12 available within 500 miles and only 3 within 100 and none of them were configured with desired options such as Nav AND sunroof. So the M340 won out and so far Ive very pleased and am enjoying more than my Alfa which it replaced or the F80 I had before that.
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F10 M5 was hydraulic and it was also fingertip light. Also, my E92 M3 steering was definitely lighter than M4 that I’ve owned and also lighter than M340i that I test drove a couple of times.
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I'm referring to the E-chassis models. I personally found the E92 steering to be heavier than the the M4 at low speeds. M340i is definitely light at lower speeds especially without sport mode enables.
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